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In reply to the discussion: Chris Hedges Responds to NDAA Defeat, "It is a black day for those who care about liberty" [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)93. Thoughtful response. A few points in return:
1) The ACLU actually agrees with the court's conclusion re: detention of US citizens:
The ACLU does not believe that the NDAA authorizes military detention of American citizens or anyone else in the United States.
http://www.aclu.org/indefinite-detention-endless-worldwide-war-and-2012-national-defense-authorization-act
2) A court's opinion is more than, er, an opinion. It becomes part of the law itself. The 2nd Circuit's interpretation of the law is binding. It appears to me that the appeals court went further than it had to in denying standing--it could have said "merely speculative" and left it at that. Instead, they said no standing and then ruled that the law was essentially harmless--essentially the 2nd circuit defanged the NDAA when they didn't have to.
3) Re: non-citizens, note that the court also held that the NDAA is irrelevant to lawful resident aliens and anyone else captured or arrested inside the US. Essentially, all that's left are non-citizens grabbed outside the US. This includes everyone from a poor innocent schlub kidnapped by the CIA from his home to battlefield detainees in Afghanistan. So, no one size fits all there.
4) The standing requirement is as old as the constitution itself--essentially there has to be a real case or controversy for the court to entertain arguments, not speculation. Of course, conservative justices are more in favor of it, since that shuts down citizens' efforts at restraining the government and especially corporations.
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Chris Hedges Responds to NDAA Defeat, "It is a black day for those who care about liberty" [View all]
Catherina
Jul 2013
OP
The Court turning a blind eye to this bad law is not the same as annulling it.
99th_Monkey
Jul 2013
#30
The loaded gun is the 2001 AUMF, which Congress should repeal or amend substantially nt
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#101
right this is what we were all debating on here when it was first written.
limpyhobbler
Jul 2013
#79
Lol, there you go again. The president claims to have the right to order the killing of an
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#71
No, it has not said any such thing. It defers to the AUMF by NOT being specific, and under the AUMF
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#73
No, we do not agree. The NDAA does not forbid the executive branch from detaining
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#75
Big brother will not tolerate the impertinence of anyone trying to halt the steady assault on our
indepat
Jul 2013
#8
Did not read this opinion, but just summed up my cynical take on what has been transpiring
indepat
Jul 2013
#21
The court ruled that the NDAA doesn't authorize the detention of American citizens.
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#24
I had read that: sounds like big brother has been overstepping in its zeal not to be accused of
indepat
Jul 2013
#33
District judge agreed, but the 2nd circuit overruled district judge. HOWEVER
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#20
Wrong. It says Americans can be classified as enemy combatants and detained indefinitely now.
Octafish
Jul 2013
#53
K&R. Bad news, but the ACLU will keep up the fight. Also, maybe another whistle-blower like Snowden
quinnox
Jul 2013
#26
And Yet, Many Reflexively Genuflect To Authority When The Exsanguination Of Democracy Is Exposed
cantbeserious
Jul 2013
#29
So, as I read the decision, citizens cannot challenge the NDAA language regarding
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#35
The Conference Report on the Bill was over 1000 pages long, reflecting the length of the bill and
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#82