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In reply to the discussion: Snowden in Moscow by Israel Shamir - Counterpunch [View all]Cha
(320,039 posts)33. Wow and Wow!
If there is any kind of majority of public opinion thinking that Edward Snowden is a whistleblower or a hero -- and there are multiple polls, and polls aren't always accurate or fair samples -- then it's because the general public doesn't really follow the back story much on the hacker movement and WikiLeaks and Anonymous in particular.
If they did, they might have a deeper context for understanding how these undemocratic nihilists hijacked the state secrecy issue at their own whim and aided and abetted our enemies. As I've pointed out from the beginning, the end of the road for Edward Snowden, given his politics and his online buddies, was always Moscow.
If they did, they might have a deeper context for understanding how these undemocratic nihilists hijacked the state secrecy issue at their own whim and aided and abetted our enemies. As I've pointed out from the beginning, the end of the road for Edward Snowden, given his politics and his online buddies, was always Moscow.
Interesting find, flamingdem! why the hell does someone like snowden like Moscow so much? Are they libertarian assholes, too, and I just don't know about it?
So...Glenn says "Touch my client and America gets it." That's legal defense and journalism? Really? Not blackmail and terrorism? I see what we're dealing with here. But naturally Glenn spins even this and despite the fact that his client is freaking out that anyone is taking his picture and implying it's because of the fear of being killed by a US drone or something, he pretends that now his client doesn't think that.
"WIKILEAKS AND THE MOSCOW LINE"
I think most people who want to show the WikiLeaks/Snowden earlier connection want to prove that it was WikiLeaks who set him up to go to Moscow. That seems likely, but we don't have proof. Even so, when you take a person who started in Hong Kong, sort of plausibly reasoning that it had a history of free speech and was somewhat independent although that was over now with China taking it back from England, and then that person winds up in Moscow, which is so much less connected and free -- what's up?
I've always thought the following from the beginning..
The method isn't really about reform; it's about making the US retaliate, and then pointing to the harsher policies and claiming the US is no longer its liberal self, true to its ideas, and then working to discredit and undermine both America and its liberal ideas as false. It is not about wishing the best for the US, as much as Snowden thinks he can mouth this platitude and have us believe it.
I can't wait for these intrepid bloggers to connect all the dots.
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An anti-Russia Perspective: Russian Intelligence Intends to Gag Snowden and Keep Him in Russia
flamingdem
Jul 2013
#1
I did a few posts on this vicious anti-Semite.....you should read the deniers.....
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#4
Your post from January'12 was just tweeted here in conversation between GG and LibertyLinx:
flamingdem
Jul 2013
#7
The irony is that I suspect that since Mr. Greenwald's unethical behavior vitiated the privilege
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#11
Well, his fuckup of client privilege would indicate a not-so-good lawyer, no?
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#13
Why don't you give the facts about that case? You have been provided with them over and over
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#15
This may be directed at misanthrope but I'd respond in relationship to this article
flamingdem
Jul 2013
#17
'Putin's arch rival' is a racist, Right Wing Nut. And it's more than likely that he is guilty.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#23
Sabrina, I do not answer your questions. But I will note that if one is going to undertake the
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#20
You cannot answer my questions because you know the facts of this case yet continue to distort
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#24
I do not answer your questions. And I look forward to your OP, because I think the Striesand Effect
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#26
Regarding the Belarus/Ecuador/Wikileaks angle, you might enjoy this article on Al Jazeera--
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#22
I'll read it. What's up with Pres. Maduro stopping over there on his way back from Moscow
flamingdem
Jul 2013
#29