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Cha

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33. Wow and Wow!
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:00 AM
Jul 2013
If there is any kind of majority of public opinion thinking that Edward Snowden is a whistleblower or a hero -- and there are multiple polls, and polls aren't always accurate or fair samples -- then it's because the general public doesn't really follow the back story much on the hacker movement and WikiLeaks and Anonymous in particular.

If they did, they might have a deeper context for understanding how these undemocratic nihilists hijacked the state secrecy issue at their own whim and aided and abetted our enemies. As I've pointed out from the beginning, the end of the road for Edward Snowden, given his politics and his online buddies, was always Moscow.

Interesting find, flamingdem! why the hell does someone like snowden like Moscow so much? Are they libertarian assholes, too, and I just don't know about it?

So...Glenn says "Touch my client and America gets it." That's legal defense and journalism? Really? Not blackmail and terrorism? I see what we're dealing with here. But naturally Glenn spins even this and despite the fact that his client is freaking out that anyone is taking his picture and implying it's because of the fear of being killed by a US drone or something, he pretends that now his client doesn't think that.

"WIKILEAKS AND THE MOSCOW LINE"

I think most people who want to show the WikiLeaks/Snowden earlier connection want to prove that it was WikiLeaks who set him up to go to Moscow. That seems likely, but we don't have proof. Even so, when you take a person who started in Hong Kong, sort of plausibly reasoning that it had a history of free speech and was somewhat independent although that was over now with China taking it back from England, and then that person winds up in Moscow, which is so much less connected and free -- what's up?

I've always thought the following from the beginning..

The method isn't really about reform; it's about making the US retaliate, and then pointing to the harsher policies and claiming the US is no longer its liberal self, true to its ideas, and then working to discredit and undermine both America and its liberal ideas as false. It is not about wishing the best for the US, as much as Snowden thinks he can mouth this platitude and have us believe it.

I can't wait for these intrepid bloggers to connect all the dots.

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An anti-Russia Perspective: Russian Intelligence Intends to Gag Snowden and Keep Him in Russia flamingdem Jul 2013 #1
I know he won't but I'm going to say it anyway.. snowden better quit Cha Jul 2013 #32
yep. shamir is a really unsavory character cali Jul 2013 #2
He's a friend of Assange and a conduit to the Kremlin flamingdem Jul 2013 #3
I did a few posts on this vicious anti-Semite.....you should read the deniers..... msanthrope Jul 2013 #4
I haven't figured out why Assange is his friend, but one or the other flamingdem Jul 2013 #5
Vermin find each other. Shamir also fronted the CIA/honeypot lie for msanthrope Jul 2013 #6
Your post from January'12 was just tweeted here in conversation between GG and LibertyLinx: flamingdem Jul 2013 #7
The irony is that I suspect that since Mr. Greenwald's unethical behavior vitiated the privilege msanthrope Jul 2013 #11
Very curious this is being brought up flamingdem Jul 2013 #12
Well, his fuckup of client privilege would indicate a not-so-good lawyer, no? msanthrope Jul 2013 #13
Why don't you give the facts about that case? You have been provided with them over and over sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #15
This may be directed at misanthrope but I'd respond in relationship to this article flamingdem Jul 2013 #17
'Putin's arch rival' is a racist, Right Wing Nut. And it's more than likely that he is guilty. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #23
You're on point if that's true, I'll research flamingdem Jul 2013 #25
Sabrina, I do not answer your questions. But I will note that if one is going to undertake the msanthrope Jul 2013 #20
You cannot answer my questions because you know the facts of this case yet continue to distort sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #24
I do not answer your questions. And I look forward to your OP, because I think the Striesand Effect msanthrope Jul 2013 #26
+100 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #27
Great video. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #30
Woah. He claimed Pssy Riot is a weapon by The West to hurt Putin. DevonRex Jul 2013 #14
Assange's "wacky" friend flamingdem Jul 2013 #16
Considering that he fabricates and gets caught, why does Counterpunch flamingdem Jul 2013 #19
counterpunch has a thing for antisemites Mosby Jul 2013 #38
Is it anti-semite or anti-Israeli flamingdem Jul 2013 #39
Regarding the Belarus/Ecuador/Wikileaks angle, you might enjoy this article on Al Jazeera-- msanthrope Jul 2013 #22
I'll read it. What's up with Pres. Maduro stopping over there on his way back from Moscow flamingdem Jul 2013 #29
Enjoying that twitterer, Ecuador, Russia, Belarus, Iran? flamingdem Jul 2013 #31
I think Assange's dealings with the Iranians were a main factor in his msanthrope Jul 2013 #35
"They threatened Cuba with invasion and blockade..." Scurrilous Jul 2013 #8
I left that in because it cracked me up flamingdem Jul 2013 #10
LOL Scurrilous Jul 2013 #28
As long as Putin is in charge of Russia DevonRex Jul 2013 #9
Yet another reason to avoid Counterpunch struggle4progress Jul 2013 #18
lol I just wrote about why did they let this flamingdem Jul 2013 #21
Wow and Wow! Cha Jul 2013 #33
To your last sentence, CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #34
Interesting. ProSense Jul 2013 #36
The refugee status sounds questionable flamingdem Jul 2013 #37
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