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8. Turns out Trayvon needed to knock him unconscious. You can't reason with a crazed bigot with a gun.

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A question for those who feel that the correct verdict was rendered in the Zimmerman trial. [View all] Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 OP

Respect the authority of the white man, and say "yessuh" and "nossuh" Hugabear Jul 2013 #1

Hey , HUGGY, You're almost EXACTLY right.... Ecumenist Jul 2013 #75

You forgot … 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #173

Leave the guy alone. dkf Jul 2013 #2

And what do you do when that guy keeps following you, then gets in your face? Hugabear Jul 2013 #5

Me? I'm leaving twice as fast. If he tackles me, then yes i will go for his nose dkf Jul 2013 #7

You weren't fast enough. EOTE Jul 2013 #30

Then he is prosecuted and convicted. dkf Jul 2013 #39

Bullshit. You have no idea how the law works, especially as it pertains to minorities. EOTE Jul 2013 #44

+++++++++ uppityperson Jul 2013 #52

Was TM's life being actively threatened? dkf Jul 2013 #66

He had a fucking psycho with a gun stalking him. EOTE Jul 2013 #67

Well if he knew Z had a gun that would be stupid to get into a fight. dkf Jul 2013 #70

When you're accosted by a mad man with a gun who won't identify himself you've got two options. EOTE Jul 2013 #73

But Rachel Jeantel testified that TM spoke to Z first. dkf Jul 2013 #80

And within seconds he's saying "Get off of me". EOTE Jul 2013 #82

Trayvon had EVERY RIGHT to be where he was Hugabear Jul 2013 #96

He didn't have a right to assault Z. dkf Jul 2013 #107

So I can shoot someone just for hitting me? Hugabear Jul 2013 #127

If you feel your life is in danger and if you can't retreat, yes. dkf Jul 2013 #151

It really Doesn't RobinA Jul 2013 #182

How about this, works just as anything else we've heard... all american girl Jul 2013 #109

Wasn't Z waiting for the cops? dkf Jul 2013 #112

He was suppose to be meeting them at the clubhouse. Not where the murder happened. all american girl Jul 2013 #122

Sorry, honey, but when you are being followed, it's scary... all american girl Jul 2013 #95

No I do have an idea that Trayvon hit him. dkf Jul 2013 #152

I'm not saying Trayvon was not on top....we don't have clear evidence, but how did all american girl Jul 2013 #175

The nose could have been quakerboy Jul 2013 #194

What nuckle injuries on Trayvon? He had a tiny cut on his pinky funger. lumpy Jul 2013 #210

You read the autopsy report? XemaSab Jul 2013 #211

Regarding what ? lumpy Jul 2013 #213

+1,000 malaise Jul 2013 #144

along those lines of believing that just before or after he was shot he said... salin Jul 2013 #190

Like Martin sat up and uttered words while his lungs were rapidly filling with blood ?? lumpy Jul 2013 #214

Really ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #174

So you believe Zimmerman that his head was whacked continuously? chieftain Jul 2013 #207

But FL law says you have a right to Stand Your Ground cprise Jul 2013 #101

My right to stand my ground doesn't matter if I'm dead Bake Jul 2013 #115

In effect that's true cprise Jul 2013 #159

If You Don't RobinA Jul 2013 #184

I don't think that logic would be apparent cprise Jul 2013 #186

Turns out Trayvon needed to knock him unconscious. You can't reason with a crazed bigot with a gun. Hoyt Jul 2013 #8

Looks like he tried his best to do so. dkf Jul 2013 #10

Only to the crazed folks who love guns and hate minorities. Hoyt Jul 2013 #12

Of course you have no proof of either of those things rl6214 Jul 2013 #43

Well, he IS replying to dkf. uppityperson Jul 2013 #59

And? rl6214 Jul 2013 #63

Deep Kover Freeper? Hugabear Jul 2013 #99

More proof than you have. Hoyt Jul 2013 #60

I am a minority. And female. And I have no guns. dkf Jul 2013 #83

You still have a warped, callous sense of justice. Hoyt Jul 2013 #88

This case wasn't set up to gain racial justice for all past injustices. dkf Jul 2013 #102

Run and risk being shot anyway... Fight back, hoping to disable Z. Or shoot Z and end up on death hlthe2b Jul 2013 #3

But if he ran and was shot Z would be convicted. dkf Jul 2013 #11

Probably not, Zman would have made up lies, just like he did. Hoyt Jul 2013 #15

There were witnesses, also ballistics. dkf Jul 2013 #24

Hardly.... He'd undoubtedly claim Trayvon was running to get/retrieve a weapon and he was "afeared" hlthe2b Jul 2013 #16

That wouldn't work. dkf Jul 2013 #20

Yeah, because we all know what an incredibly sane and sensible law SYG is. EOTE Jul 2013 #32

A bullet in the back from a distance would be impossible to overcome hack89 Jul 2013 #42

It's already been said on this thread, but I'm sure there are others. EOTE Jul 2013 #46

People don't run backwards. We are talking about shooting some one in the back. hack89 Jul 2013 #58

Shooting someone... who was going to get their gun! EOTE Jul 2013 #64

A third of SYG case in Florida lead to convictions hack89 Jul 2013 #110

This study says SYG results in anti-black racism: cprise Jul 2013 #163

You are seeing the distorting effect of small samples hack89 Jul 2013 #170

The study I posted is nation-wide with a larger sample. n/t cprise Jul 2013 #183

When studies only present percentages without the actual numbers hack89 Jul 2013 #188

PBS Frontline cited this study, along with some numbers cprise Jul 2013 #208

You still would have to address the hard numbers from Florida hack89 Jul 2013 #209

Hey, there are gungeoneers who are fine with shooting a kid in back running with a stolen cd player. Hoyt Jul 2013 #74

"I thought he was grabbing that branch to swing at me". jeff47 Jul 2013 #108

A third of all Florida SYG cases result in conviction hack89 Jul 2013 #111

In those cases that have been publicized jeff47 Jul 2013 #114

With no witnesses it should be hard to convict people hack89 Jul 2013 #129

There have been successful SYG cases just like this.... You are determined to defend this hlthe2b Jul 2013 #41

SYG against people who are shot while running away in a public area ? dkf Jul 2013 #45

You read only what you want to read apparently... ignoring the white man who shot/killed hlthe2b Jul 2013 #48

Come on dfk, how does that help the dead person? The person wants to live not be a sacrifice TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #81

I would advise anyone not to get into a physical COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #4

Better than an armed conflict, which you appear to approve. Hoyt Jul 2013 #18

No conflict is best. Not even verbal. dkf Jul 2013 #22

No, I don't approve of that either. Physical COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #26

so someone targets, stalks and then confronts you with a gun Skittles Jul 2013 #33

I have actually been confronted with a gun COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #34

LOL you're advising a black teenager to RUN????? Skittles Jul 2013 #35

Absolutely. (Read some of the similar comments by black COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #38

you live in a dream world Skittles Jul 2013 #47

Wow. A little overwrought, are we? COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #50

YES - innocent teenagers murdered FOR NO REASON upset me Skittles Jul 2013 #53

You have a super-wonderful day, too! COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #54

+100000000000000000 Hoyt Jul 2013 #61

Has that effect on ALL decent folk etherealtruth Jul 2013 #132

I Thought RobinA Jul 2013 #187

Stop your hatred, Skittles. When you're ready to reason, start. nt Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #71

I see... the ones who AREN'T defending the piece of shit who murdered an unarmed kid... EOTE Jul 2013 #86

Beyond the usual bait, No you don't see... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Ecumenist Jul 2013 #91

Hey, Colgate, I've been black MOST of my life and my mother taught me from the Ecumenist Jul 2013 #94

Leaving aside your venting, I don't see where there's COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #116

Here's the point I was making...MAYBE I wasn't clear enough.... Ecumenist Jul 2013 #126

You are still blowing off steam. When you take it upon yourself COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #133

Are you trying to fucking tell me that a woman, child or man MINDING their own business Ecumenist Jul 2013 #153

You do know that almost every detail you're alleging COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #176

Hey Skittles, what they actually mean is they would've gotten away from Bundy, Ramirez... Ecumenist Jul 2013 #84

Call the police. Rex Jul 2013 #6

+1000. nt. premium Jul 2013 #19

If only he was on the phone with 911 during all this Rex Jul 2013 #29

I agree completely, premium Jul 2013 #37

Why do you think he committed manslaughter? Vattel Jul 2013 #180

That, and that he should have just waited for the police to show up. nt. premium Jul 2013 #197

I thought gun lovers tell us "the police have no duty to help" or some such BS. Hoyt Jul 2013 #65

yup Skittles Jul 2013 #69

You see, it's their own fault for not owning a gun. EOTE Jul 2013 #76

I am SO sick of Zimmerman defenders Skittles Jul 2013 #85

I see no defenders here. But I do see a lot of hatred. nt Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #100

There are two groups, one is the DU legal team Rex Jul 2013 #106

Sorry, I don't see those 2 groups. The hatred, yes... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #117

Jimmy Carter? Wow that is...interesting. Rex Jul 2013 #121

Well, I think he said that the verdict was proper or words to that effect. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #141

LOL Skittles Jul 2013 #158

I have no doubt he had his gun out and was already telling Martin Rex Jul 2013 #105

it's really a proven fact Skittles Jul 2013 #156

Indeed. We know Zimmermans ambition was to capture the 'punk, asshole' who might get away. lumpy Jul 2013 #217

They don't have a duty to any individual in most states anomiep Jul 2013 #113

I agree. My point was the bigoted gun nuts defend their toting by saying Hoyt Jul 2013 #118

That's correct, premium Jul 2013 #119

Premium, God bless your soul, but you just don't get it. Hoyt Jul 2013 #125

Hoyt, yes I do get it, premium Jul 2013 #128

There were two or three recordings, you guys discounted them. Hoyt Jul 2013 #137

I discounted them? premium Jul 2013 #139

Premium, you just said a 911 call would have provided a record. I pointed out we had Hoyt Jul 2013 #145

No Hoyt, you said you guys (me) discounted them, premium Jul 2013 #146

Like I said, you really don't get it. Another recording would not have been enough for you guys. Hoyt Jul 2013 #147

IOW, you can't provide that link. premium Jul 2013 #148

Watching MSNBC all week I've heard more than one black man say lunatica Jul 2013 #9

Told my 4 year old nephew that. Don't get into fights. Avoid confrontations. My nieces too. dkf Jul 2013 #17

I used to tell him that anyone can get into a fight lunatica Jul 2013 #36

Beat him til he starts crying and begging me not to kill him. ieoeja Jul 2013 #13

So far the options put forth are to remain passive and do nothing (and hope that the person Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #14

Actively confronting him is not an option if you fear he has a gun hack89 Jul 2013 #25

Correct. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #27

Yep, get away from bigots with a gun. In Florida, 90% will always be running from the gun toters. Hoyt Jul 2013 #77

I have hand it to you Hoyt hack89 Jul 2013 #92

Nope. What are yours? nt Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #103

Being an armchair quarterback, but calling 911 and Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #130

I agree. I have seen and been in incidents where violence threatened... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #149

you are a hero CitizenLeft Jul 2013 #200

Thank you. I won't day "no," but soon... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #203

the ones saying he should have called the police Skittles Jul 2013 #157

Who said don't rely on the police?. nt. premium Jul 2013 #167

It's much easier to argue against a straw man mythology Jul 2013 #178

Keeping in mind that Z's actions are primarily responsible for TM's death hack89 Jul 2013 #21

Stop talking to friend, call 911, and walk directly home (or follow 911 directions). aikoaiko Jul 2013 #23

I don't think going home was an option for Trayvon.. ananda Jul 2013 #62

It's only an option for those who blame Trayvon. Hoyt Jul 2013 #79

yup - it's an option for those trying Trayvon for his own murder Skittles Jul 2013 #87

Or it could just be people talking and wishing things were different. aikoaiko Jul 2013 #104

now the Zimmy supporters are saying Trayvon should have called the police Skittles Jul 2013 #155

Are you listening to yourself? premium Jul 2013 #199

LOLOL Skittles Jul 2013 #205

When You Feel RobinA Jul 2013 #191

According to the phone conversation between Martin and his friend, Martin thought he had lumpy Jul 2013 #219

I don't blame Trayvon for his death at all. aikoaiko Jul 2013 #97

Maybe. But I would still tell my 17 to get in the house and lock door. aikoaiko Jul 2013 #93

Any verdict is correct NoOneMan Jul 2013 #28

Keep walking down the lit street and walk home sgsmith Jul 2013 #31

Keep on going, do not stop, go straight home rl6214 Jul 2013 #40

unless you believe Zimmerman's ridiculous story Skittles Jul 2013 #51

Evidence shows he stopped and did not go straight home rl6214 Jul 2013 #56

he stopped because he was confronted by a racist gun humping paranoid vigilante Skittles Jul 2013 #57

Trayvon, according to his friend on the phone, thought he had ditched Zimmerman. He lumpy Jul 2013 #218

Do you publish your works of fiction? rl6214 Jul 2013 #222

Call 911.. MicaelS Jul 2013 #49

Ignore him and go on home. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #55

you do realize that "those who feel that the correct verdict was rendered" would DrDan Jul 2013 #68

I think if you believe Zimmerman's story Skittles Jul 2013 #72

two different things DrDan Jul 2013 #135

I don't think so Skittles Jul 2013 #154

and I have doubts . . . the testimonies were at odds, the witnesses did not agree DrDan Jul 2013 #160

there's no doubt the reckless actions of Zimmerman led to the death of an innocent person Skittles Jul 2013 #161

that alone does not prove 2D or manslaughter DrDan Jul 2013 #162

he is forever guilty Skittles Jul 2013 #164

you really should give some thougth to how our justice system works - DrDan Jul 2013 #165

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz done here Skittles Jul 2013 #166

IOW, premium Jul 2013 #169

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #185

LOL. premium Jul 2013 #198

Zimmerman had experience in getting out of his many 'jams' probably refinded his excuses lumpy Jul 2013 #220

I probably worded that badly. Due to the evidence presented Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #123

fair enough DrDan Jul 2013 #134

Same advice for Martin and Zimmerman: Avoid confrontation, get out of harm's way. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #78

I hope that, if I were on the jury, I would have had the courage to hold out for manslaughter. John1956PA Jul 2013 #131

I don't know what happened, but Zimmerman was an ass to take the actions... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #143

Couldn't agree much more. lumpy Jul 2013 #221

Well, Zimmerman obviously grabbed him. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #89

Bigotry trumps decency. Hoyt Jul 2013 #90

I'm wondering about this, and I have white kids. all american girl Jul 2013 #120

What did you tell them before this case? ksoze Jul 2013 #124

I told them both, you have a right to your own body, NO ONE is aloud to tough you no matter what all american girl Jul 2013 #168

I believe the correct verdict was rendered in the Zimmerman trial. Captain Stern Jul 2013 #136

He was 70 feet from his father's house. He was trying to get somewhere safe. renie408 Jul 2013 #142

You are mistaken. Captain Stern Jul 2013 #150

I am sorry. renie408 Jul 2013 #206

Thanks Captain Stern Jul 2013 #215

My question for those who feel that the correct verdict was rendered in the Zimmerman trial... renie408 Jul 2013 #138

So long as you ignore a) the law and b) the evidence COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #140

1. Call the police Taitertots Jul 2013 #171

Are you for real? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #172

5. If you did that to someone, they could shoot you and walk like Zimmerman Taitertots Jul 2013 #177

Prosecution overcharged, and/or failed to add the correct lessor included ... zencycler Jul 2013 #179

... as to what Trayvon should have done. zencycler Jul 2013 #189

He Should RobinA Jul 2013 #181

When I was a teen and one of the straights (adults) braddy Jul 2013 #192

It depends on the meaning of the word correct dsc Jul 2013 #193

See my post below about the verdict. Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #196

Go home... Pelican Jul 2013 #195

How far away was his Dad's apartment? Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #201

According to Rachel Jeantel XemaSab Jul 2013 #204

my scenario, in my own head, is that Zimmerman caught up to him... CitizenLeft Jul 2013 #202

your scenerio zencycler Jul 2013 #212

Don't swing first Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #216