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RC

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159. What you are telling everyone is that right and wrong do not figure in your opinions.

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:18 PM

Jul 2013

But basically if they agree with you, and not necessarily you with them, then that just reenforces that you must be correct and everyone else is wrong, correct?

Your sometimes convoluted "logic", a bit too often approaches word salad level. It is sometimes hard to tell what you are responding to, except for the information in the upper right hand corner of your response.

1. Is our government spying on us citizens? (Yes/No)
...a. If so, is it Constitutional? (Yes/No)
...b, If it is Constitutional, what is the big deal about Snowden then? He has nothing ________________________
...c. If it is not Constitutional, why is what Snowden did exposing the extent of the spying so bad? _____________

2. If our government is not spying on us, what is all this world wide brouhaha all about? ______________________
...a. What are those "splitter rooms" and five big data storage centers for? _________________________________

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Oath Keepers Heart Edward Snowden! [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

It's true that many different kinds of Americans care about civil liberties. polichick Jul 2013 #1

And as evidenced, it's also true that many don't. SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #5

Just make sure you have a barf bag handy... polichick Jul 2013 #21

"They arrived on the scene with much fanfare and were often staples at tea party and Second.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #80

I know very little about Snowden. tazkcmo Jul 2013 #195

Who said you can't question? And yes, his motivation is of paramount importance to many of us. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #207

That's fair tazkcmo Jul 2013 #208

Well that's it then. Call your Reps in Congress. It's the only way to address it now. nt Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #209

Yes, all across the political spectrum. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #196

Strange bedfellows. MineralMan Jul 2013 #2

Not so "strange" ProSense Jul 2013 #3

Well, strange only in the sense that political goals and MineralMan Jul 2013 #9

Oh, FFS! I am officially creeped out now! freshwest Jul 2013 #216

The polls show overwhelming support for Snowden as a whistle blower sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #22

Don't know what polls you're looking at leftynyc Jul 2013 #81

That is not the latest poll. That is from July 5th, before the public fully understood sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #118

link please to the polls that show americans approve of snowden nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #143

Sure, see here: sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #154

well it sounds like he will have a good chance with a jury then nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #158

No, he won't. He would be kept in solitary, probably tortured (for his own good) like Manning sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #163

Thanks for the link leftynyc Jul 2013 #193

A link to the poll would have been interesting. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #152

Well, excuse me for taking more than a few minutes to get back to a request on the internet. Sorry sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #160

Why so testy? OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #189

Not strange. Just opposition to the black President under the cloak of supporting the Constitution. kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #133

You side with John Bolton on drone strikes, and Dick Cheney on domestic surveillance. Marr Jul 2013 #4

Who ProSense Jul 2013 #6

Nice collection of unrelated links. You still agree with John Bolton and Dick Cheney. /nt Marr Jul 2013 #12

And you agree with Storm Front...so there! ProSense Jul 2013 #13

This is one of the reasons no one takes you seriously anymore. /nt Marr Jul 2013 #17

Unlike you, I can speak for myself, and I don't take you seriously. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #23

+100 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #198

How silly. The fact is that Marr is correct, so it is not a good idea to try to smear someone sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #24

Yeah, like I'm "correct" that you agree with Storm Front. ProSense Jul 2013 #26

You started a preposterous game. Now that we all decided to play, you don't like the game. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #37

No, I posted an article and ProSense Jul 2013 #38

The OP is so defensive that the only way to deal with it was to have some fun with it. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #55

Really? What makes it "defensive" in your mind? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #61

Only if the boss does. ;) polichick Jul 2013 #35

Divide and conquer RobertEarl Jul 2013 #7

WTF? There are Oath Keeper supporters here? ProSense Jul 2013 #11

You object to being divisive? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #14

"You are quite the con artist." ProSense Jul 2013 #15

I would'nt worry, it's not working anymore. We have all had an awakening over the past sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #25

Yet here you are all over this thread. ProSense Jul 2013 #27

I thought you wanted to play a preposterous game. I love these games, always have. If you sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #39

You "thought" wrong, and screaming that I agree with Cheney is pure silliness. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #56

Actually Ed Snowden supporters reach across all the Parties. truedelphi Jul 2013 #186

:) polichick Jul 2013 #8

zing! Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #18

Founded by Ron Paul's little buddy...surprise, surprise! MADem Jul 2013 #10

Ron Paul mention for the thread fail. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #199

It's only not salient if ya don't read the link, I guess... nt MADem Jul 2013 #200

Oh, my god. There it is. Not very original, though... freshwest Jul 2013 #218

Oh well then, I guess I will change my opinion of Snowden now, thank you. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #16

Cool, but what do you make of the Oath Keepers' actions and mission? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #20

What do you make of Cheney's and Bush's and King's and Fleischer's and Ledeen's sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #29

They want to repeal the individual mandate. What you make of that? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #30

ACA was poorly conceived as we will all find out. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #46

So you agree with Cheney and Boehner? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #51

Is everything really black or white to you? Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #67

Is screaming "you agree with Cheney" rational? ProSense Jul 2013 #111

Show me where I accused you of that. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #113

Did I say you did? ProSense Jul 2013 #121

Is screaming "Oath Keepers agree with Snowden" rational? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #202

Of course they do. His fan club is a wide array of kooks and... well, AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #19

. great white snark Jul 2013 #31

His non-fan club include Cheney, Bush, Fleischer, Limbaugh, Faux and 'we count the votes' Peter sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #32

I'm with you. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #42

Don't forget John "enemy combatant" Yoo. neverforget Jul 2013 #156

And bush feels the same way about him as you do (nt) The Straight Story Jul 2013 #28

+1 ^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jul 2013 #47

Pathetic. I've always thought that this is one of the worst arguments ever cali Jul 2013 #33

I really am loving the reation to ProSense Jul 2013 #36

I think everyone is enjoying this thread immensely. So see what you did, you united everyone sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #43

I'm sorry, pro dear, but would you like to link to my screaming Cheney? cali Jul 2013 #62

Ah, I see it's time for our daily Two Minutes Of Hate Matariki Jul 2013 #34

This is exactly what it is. I hope he/she is getting paid for this. reformist2 Jul 2013 #40

Nice deflection. I'm not, but why are you so defensive about this article? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #41

It's a distraction from the actual issue, that's for sure. Matariki Jul 2013 #45

Tell it to Mother Jones. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #50

ProSense Hearts Obama - no matter what policies he adopts. polichick Jul 2013 #44

+1 ^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jul 2013 #52

polichick voted for Obama - I blame you. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #53

Sure - and he said to "hold my feet to the fire"... polichick Jul 2013 #64

No ProSense Jul 2013 #85

Nice try, but it's clear to most posters here what it is y'all are doing... polichick Jul 2013 #89

One thing I've learned - it's not worth arguing with people with six-figure post counts. reformist2 Jul 2013 #48

That would make a GREAT signature line! Matariki Jul 2013 #54

You're smart, and I own everyone of my posts. ProSense Jul 2013 #58

I'm begging DU to charge fee for excessive bandwidth use. nt grasswire Jul 2013 #177

This place is hilarious. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #79

"You've only been here a week." AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #84

Alluding to someone's post count (whether high, low, whatever) was taboo on the old DU2. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #176

This is what we have to look forward to in 2014 and 2016 if the left doesn't come to its senses AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #49

FFS epic reframe fail. L0oniX Jul 2013 #59

I'm a heterosexual, 25-year-old caucasian male studying in a field that has a 4% unemployment rate. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #66

Your failure is in thinking that critisism of a Dem means a no vote for the Dem. L0oniX Jul 2013 #73

LMAO Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #77

The Revolution will NOT be about the "Left v. Right", or Dem v. Rep. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #57

Very true Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #82

I was wondering when the birthers would show up... Scurrilous Jul 2013 #60

Snowden OP #749 progressoid Jul 2013 #63

So it's not enough just to disagree with people.. SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #65

+1000 Everytime I think about voting I just think of the OP and go "why"? Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #72

+1001 nt Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #86

So does the ACLU, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Daniel Ellsberg. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #68

Yeah, ProSense Jul 2013 #71

You are citing one group's opinion. I'm saying that there are groups that share that opinion. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #74

Fine, but the OP is about the group mentioned. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #88

And, Snowden? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #168

You know, there's something in legal doctrine called "opening the door" NuclearDem Jul 2013 #184

Ahhh the Hourly update of the OPer... Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #69

Lmao!!! darkangel218 Jul 2013 #103

K & arrg flamingdem Jul 2013 #70

Another Two Minute Hate thread and another trashed thread. Apophis Jul 2013 #75

So do liberals and progressives. Edward Snowden is an American hero, riding to warn us of danger quinnox Jul 2013 #76

You've posted this so many times that I'm starting to think you're just goofing on us... Scurrilous Jul 2013 #83

nope. I have grown fond of posting this in these type threads quinnox Jul 2013 #91

I, for one, hope you keep it up. Laelth Jul 2013 #136

I'm not Snowden defender, but how simillar to the "Obama palling around with terrorists" attempt hlthe2b Jul 2013 #78

What the hell are you talking about? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #87

Apparently some believe one can judge veracity and integrity by the most extreme of your supporters hlthe2b Jul 2013 #93

Oh please, ProSense Jul 2013 #95

Your intent in posting this is very clear to most on this thread, PRO.... Big fail. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #96

Bullshit. The article is what it is. Projecting "intent" is purely a cheap deflection tactic. ProSense Jul 2013 #99

It is all our problem when one of our supposed "own" uses these kind of tactics hlthe2b Jul 2013 #101

Again, bullshit on the lame deflection. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #102

Pro--these character assasination by association tactics are the ultimate deflection... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #105

Please, ProSense Jul 2013 #107

Ugly ugly failing strategy, ProSense... I understand you have a stake in defending administration hlthe2b Jul 2013 #108

Keep repeating that. The OP is a report. You don't have to like it. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #112

Not just me that sees this as very wrong. You are better than this, ProSense... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #114

Spare me the self-righteous act. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #116

Obviously, I've hit a nerve. GOOD! hlthe2b Jul 2013 #117

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #119

Hey, go for it... Klayman and the group in your OP are kooks... That's not the point.. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #122

No, that is the friggin point, not the one you made up. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #124

Right... I and four dozen others on the thread just "made up a point".... How, convenient when your hlthe2b Jul 2013 #132

Oh, and feel free to address the report, ProSense Jul 2013 #115

Even the most extremist RW groups in our society may express a real concern, even if their reasoning hlthe2b Jul 2013 #120

So ProSense Jul 2013 #123

I and about four dozens other here have made it very clear what this issue is. Feign confusion hlthe2b Jul 2013 #126

So now you're back to being self-righteous? Couldn't accept the point? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #129

Back at ya, ProSense... You don't win debates merely by being tedious... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #130

WTH? I'm wasn't trying to "win debates." ProSense Jul 2013 #137

Nor do you win debates by deflecting with straw men.... but you certainly are trying hlthe2b Jul 2013 #142

Of course not ProSense Jul 2013 #146

Accusing ME of something I have never ever posted, uttered, or thought-- NICE and very dishonest, PR hlthe2b Jul 2013 #149

You mean ProSense Jul 2013 #151

You lied about me in your last post... attributing comments to me I NEVER said/posted. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #153

No, I didn't. You (and others) are having trouble dealing with the content of the OP. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #155

YOU MOST certainly attributed a comment I never made to me... THAT is the definition of lying. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #157

No, I didn't, but this is just another deflective attempt on your part. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #161

THe direct evidence of your lie (post 146 ). Anyone here can verify I NEVER SAID THAT hlthe2b Jul 2013 #164

You was generic. Not everyone is doing all those things. You (and other) are having trouble ProSense Jul 2013 #165

"You" was addressed to "me"... Is this your attempt to apologize? hlthe2b Jul 2013 #166

It was generic, and your attempt to deflect is a fail. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #170

I deflect NOTHING... Your accusation/comment you attributed to me was a DEMONSTRABLE LIE... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #171

I don't give a shit if you want to believe that ProSense Jul 2013 #172

^^^^ Everything you need to know (perhaps already suspected) about this poster^^^ hlthe2b Jul 2013 #173

Everything I need to know about you: You can't accept facts, and love to deflect. ProSense Jul 2013 #175

You lied (demonstrably and irrefutably). No, you don't get to play the vicitm. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #178

Deflection, it's about you covering an embarrassing episode of false accusations. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #181

Covering YOUR embarrassment, perhaps... YOU SHOULD BE embarrassed & ashamed at your lie. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #182

You lied, PROSENSE (demonstrably and irrefutably). No, you don't get to play the vicitm. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #187

Uh oh. Sassy weekend ProSense has arrived. nt Union Scribe Jul 2013 #128

Whether true or not. Puglover Jul 2013 #135

Gossipy crapola has arrived also. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #183

What you are telling everyone is that right and wrong do not figure in your opinions. RC Jul 2013 #159

Please stop projecting silliness. Don't want to read the OP report. Don't. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #162

Our government wholesale spying on us is not silliness. RC Jul 2013 #201

No, silliness is attempting to derail this thread via deflection. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #204

No, silliness is avoiding a simple question. RC Jul 2013 #214

Guilt by association, the Joe McCarthy technique. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #90

You mean like screaming "you agree with Cheney and Bolton"? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #97

Is this one of those "Hitler liked dogs.......and I like dogs too" moments? rdharma Jul 2013 #92

Guilty by association? Really? OK Sarah Palin ram2008 Jul 2013 #94

The best things about this thread ProSense Jul 2013 #106

Two wrongs don't make a right, guilt by association= fail ram2008 Jul 2013 #167

#threadfail LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #98

Thread is an apparent success. ProSense Jul 2013 #100

I'd say so. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #109

No! Look at how many responses the OP gets! A sure sign of success!! Demit Jul 2013 #110

" founded by a former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) staffer" ucrdem Jul 2013 #104

unlikely quarters? arely staircase Jul 2013 #125

I have a very conservative Christian family member. NCTraveler Jul 2013 #127

OP is timely and well-informed on a topic of great interest to many here. ucrdem Jul 2013 #131

Do you support the Oath Keepers? ProSense Jul 2013 #134

Hitler liked jam. You like jam. Matariki Jul 2013 #138

. ProSense Jul 2013 #139

ANOTHER Snowden thread burnodo Jul 2013 #140

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #141

I think it's very likely to be in the 400's burnodo Jul 2013 #144

Go count them and let me know. ProSense Jul 2013 #148

Drunk, actually burnodo Jul 2013 #150

aHA! A post you didn't respond to! burnodo Jul 2013 #213

Because the Borg do not qualify LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #215

My god I'm sick of this shit... whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #145

LOL! ProSense Jul 2013 #147

At least they're not continuing his policies. rug Jul 2013 #169

Christ, Hitler built the predecessor to the Interstate Highway. I like the Interstate Highway. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #174

Well ProSense Jul 2013 #179

Wow, awesome rewording! Considering I didn't even vote in 2008 or 2012, it's even more awesome! NuclearDem Jul 2013 #188

Well, that's good to know ProSense Jul 2013 #190

So I didn't participate in the consistently-rigged system that would have had me holding my nose NuclearDem Jul 2013 #191

I think you need a better hobby, ProSense n/t Scootaloo Jul 2013 #180

Why? ProSense Jul 2013 #185

Well, 'cause you rather come off as an unhinged crusader, and are relying on guilt by association Scootaloo Jul 2013 #192

No, that's your take, but then again anyone who supports Snowden would make that claim. ProSense Jul 2013 #194

Yes, that is my take, even though I couldn't give a shit about Snowden Scootaloo Jul 2013 #197

Frankly ProSense Jul 2013 #203

I have no problem with Snowden support, either Scootaloo Jul 2013 #205

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #206

Just because you use a word doesn't mean it's applicable; in this case, "projecting" Scootaloo Jul 2013 #210

Yes, ProSense Jul 2013 #211

Fair enough, I get what you were meaning now regarding projecting n/t Scootaloo Jul 2013 #212

Odd, usually shipwrecks sink Union Scribe Jul 2013 #217