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5. I read about one possible weasel legal move,
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 10:39 PM
Jul 2013

that is so outrageous that you wonder if even the most brazen authoritarian would have the shamelessness to attempt it, since it clearly violates both the letter and spirit of the US Constitution.*

Here it is, in this article about the "collect it all" mentality:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-spying-flap-extends-to-contents-of-u.s-phone-calls/

AT&T and other telecommunications companies that allow the NSA to tap into their fiber links receive absolute immunity from civil liability or criminal prosecution, thanks to a law that Congress enacted in 2008 and renewed in 2012. It's a series of amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, also known as the FISA Amendments Act.

That law says surveillance may be authorized by the attorney general and director of national intelligence without prior approval by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, as long as minimization requirements and general procedures blessed by the court are followed.
A requirement of the 2008 law is that the NSA "may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States." A possible interpretation of that language, some legal experts said, is that the agency may vacuum up everything it can domestically -- on the theory that indiscriminate data acquisition was not intended to "target" a specific American citizen.

Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell indicated during a House Intelligence hearing in 2007 that the NSA's surveillance process involves "billions" of bulk communications being intercepted, analyzed, and incorporated into a database.


The bolded part suggests that they might argue, in perfect Orwellian fashion, that it's "legal" precisely because of what makes it unconstitutional.



*Yeah, they'll do it. At this point they are pretty much giving the nation the finger while they shred the Constitution.



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It can't be explained because it isn't legal. Well, unless... PSPS Jul 2013 #1
He was asked if they collected data. Igel Jul 2013 #2
Do you really mean: hootinholler Jul 2013 #4
It's legal cause Bush said so RobertEarl Jul 2013 #3
I read about one possible weasel legal move, woo me with science Jul 2013 #5
Yep. There it is. The Loophole. RobertEarl Jul 2013 #9
Where the communications are coming from doesn't matter jmowreader Jul 2013 #10
How do they know you are a USian? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #12
Speaking English is one of the ways jmowreader Jul 2013 #17
Are you seriously suggesting that we have replaced the constitution hootinholler Jul 2013 #20
No. jmowreader Jul 2013 #30
This was explained before. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #6
Perhaps our Congress-critters could pass this law ... HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #7
First one must understand what wiretapping involves and understand what collecting phone call record Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #8
Thanks for speaking out on behalf of simple thinkers. And simple spellers, too. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #23
Oh wow, seems like simple thinker can even get the message with typo, guess everyone can't be Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #24
Clapper's definition of collection is what the intelligence community uses jmowreader Jul 2013 #11
If you feel more government is better RobertEarl Jul 2013 #13
I think we're answering different questions jmowreader Jul 2013 #15
Collection of contents RobertEarl Jul 2013 #28
Sorry but Government is not bad Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #18
That is not what Clapper said hootinholler Jul 2013 #21
Clapper's metaphor was real twisted jmowreader Jul 2013 #22
So you are saying this is what he should have said? hootinholler Jul 2013 #27
still waiting to hear the justification for the patriot act being used mainly to arrest pot smokers. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #14
Do you understand we already knew about NSA collecting phone records? Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #16
ill gotten gain, can't be used in court ... quadrature Jul 2013 #19
The best argument for how it can be legal, is they have FISA court warrants for it. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #25
All I can damn well guarantee you, this will be a major issue come the 2014 elections and somebody Purveyor Jul 2013 #26
NSA spying is a republican baby RobertEarl Jul 2013 #29
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