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In reply to the discussion: Can someone please explain how the NSA Slurp and Burp doesn't violate wiretap law? [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)5. I read about one possible weasel legal move,
that is so outrageous that you wonder if even the most brazen authoritarian would have the shamelessness to attempt it, since it clearly violates both the letter and spirit of the US Constitution.*
Here it is, in this article about the "collect it all" mentality:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-spying-flap-extends-to-contents-of-u.s-phone-calls/
AT&T and other telecommunications companies that allow the NSA to tap into their fiber links receive absolute immunity from civil liability or criminal prosecution, thanks to a law that Congress enacted in 2008 and renewed in 2012. It's a series of amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, also known as the FISA Amendments Act.
That law says surveillance may be authorized by the attorney general and director of national intelligence without prior approval by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, as long as minimization requirements and general procedures blessed by the court are followed.
A requirement of the 2008 law is that the NSA "may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States." A possible interpretation of that language, some legal experts said, is that the agency may vacuum up everything it can domestically -- on the theory that indiscriminate data acquisition was not intended to "target" a specific American citizen.
Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell indicated during a House Intelligence hearing in 2007 that the NSA's surveillance process involves "billions" of bulk communications being intercepted, analyzed, and incorporated into a database.
AT&T and other telecommunications companies that allow the NSA to tap into their fiber links receive absolute immunity from civil liability or criminal prosecution, thanks to a law that Congress enacted in 2008 and renewed in 2012. It's a series of amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, also known as the FISA Amendments Act.
That law says surveillance may be authorized by the attorney general and director of national intelligence without prior approval by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, as long as minimization requirements and general procedures blessed by the court are followed.
A requirement of the 2008 law is that the NSA "may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States." A possible interpretation of that language, some legal experts said, is that the agency may vacuum up everything it can domestically -- on the theory that indiscriminate data acquisition was not intended to "target" a specific American citizen.
Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell indicated during a House Intelligence hearing in 2007 that the NSA's surveillance process involves "billions" of bulk communications being intercepted, analyzed, and incorporated into a database.
The bolded part suggests that they might argue, in perfect Orwellian fashion, that it's "legal" precisely because of what makes it unconstitutional.
*Yeah, they'll do it. At this point they are pretty much giving the nation the finger while they shred the Constitution.
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Can someone please explain how the NSA Slurp and Burp doesn't violate wiretap law? [View all]
hootinholler
Jul 2013
OP
First one must understand what wiretapping involves and understand what collecting phone call record
Thinkingabout
Jul 2013
#8
Thanks for speaking out on behalf of simple thinkers. And simple spellers, too.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#23
Oh wow, seems like simple thinker can even get the message with typo, guess everyone can't be
Thinkingabout
Jul 2013
#24
still waiting to hear the justification for the patriot act being used mainly to arrest pot smokers.
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2013
#14
The best argument for how it can be legal, is they have FISA court warrants for it.
limpyhobbler
Jul 2013
#25