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ConservativeDemocrat

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16. It's also chalk full of bullshit arguments as well

Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:09 PM

Jul 2013

The NSA's Mass Surveillance programs are extremely ineffective at stopping terrorist plots - see Boston.

This is like saying because there is one murder then we shouldn't have police investigating murders.

The truth of the matter is that our counter-terrorism efforts have been extremely effective. The death rate of terrorism on United States territory has been hovering around an average of about 3 deaths per year. The President directly said that NSA surveillance has aided the disruption of over fifty terrorist plots. There are about 50 deaths per year in the U.S. from lightning strikes.

Funny enough, the opposite argument is much better. People who hate the NSA could say that we've largely become extremely effective at stopping terrorism, so no more money need be spent in that area.

However, making such an argument would require casting the President in a good light, so it's clearly unacceptable to the Democratic-haters who dominate this board.

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The sunlight is getting in.... nt Pholus Jul 2013 #1

k&r Incredibly valuable post. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #2

Rec'd and bookmarked. Thank you! n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #3

Bookmark this thread as an index of bored snowbots Kolesar Jul 2013 #30

Welcome to DU. When you think about it, federal funding of military research created the internet. Lint Head Jul 2013 #4

OMG, this is too friggin long! ProSense Jul 2013 #5

Yes. If it's too long, break it up into separate posts and provide links to your own posts. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #18

And then I suppose you could just keep on re-posting the same stuff Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #27

That would do it. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #28

Excellent reference material... Thanks! KoKo Jul 2013 #6

K&R Thank you. woo me with science Jul 2013 #7

K&R'd & bookmarked. snot Jul 2013 #8

Excellent, Excellent, Excellent MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #9

I always know how important a post is Progressive dog Jul 2013 #10

Bullshit claim: ProSense Jul 2013 #11

It's also chalk full of bullshit arguments as well ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #16

To borrow from what you said at #5, "OMG, this is too friggin long!" Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #19

Bookmarking. Thank you. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #12

Bingo. Far too big & too broad to be about "terrorists." DirkGently Jul 2013 #13

Read most of it & will read it all later - thanks & congrats byeya Jul 2013 #14

Big brother will not tolerate any impertinence exposing his suppression of liberty or any vestige of indepat Jul 2013 #15

Kick and Rec! Fuddnik Jul 2013 #17

kick..thanks for putting this together..nt xiamiam Jul 2013 #20

K&R. But are you familiar with Ernest Hemingway? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #21

We also have domestic non Islamic terrorism. AKA rightwing terrorism: JaneyVee Jul 2013 #22

Bump TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #23

Bookmarked for future uses and reference. matthews Jul 2013 #24

Thanks for putting all this info together. Long? yes. But also very helpful. K&R eom 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #25

Needs increased blue linky to content ratio NoOneMan Jul 2013 #26

The NSA doesn't only cover terrorism. Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #29

K & R Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #31

Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #32

A great deal of mind blowing information here. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #33