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Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
9. Those That Assert, Must First Prove.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 11:21 PM
Feb 2012

Tell them that a link to a reliable industry source would be acceptable, and if they cannot come up with anything except right-wing blogger bullshit sources, call them on it.

The refinery that is being shut down in St. Croix is closing because the joint owners made the decision that EPA compliance was too costly, so instead of spending the money to update the facility, Hess and Petroleos de Venezuela SA, the national oil company of Venezuala who jointly own and run that facility decided to close it.

The same rules all the other refineries must abide by, you know, the ones legally operating and NOT shutting down.

The EPA did not make that decision for them; they made it themselves.

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Obama shutting down refineries?! Obama has handed out a SHITLOAD of drilling permits. SHITLOAD! FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #1
Tell them you want to see the articles and facts first Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #2
When I google it there are all kinds of articles about gas prices going up and Obama rainy Feb 2012 #5
The oil companies are closing refineries pscot Feb 2012 #21
That's usually a sign it's so much RW hot air... JHB Feb 2012 #28
I'm not going to do your legwork but check out US exports of gasoline. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #3
If they'll pay more for the gas elsewhere, then why not? bhikkhu Feb 2012 #23
I'm not arguing the merits of the exporting, Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #29
Ask him for a link. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #4
I think I post what you just said:) rainy Feb 2012 #8
Hey, I'm no macro-economist who pretends to understand world energy markets... Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #14
Misinformation And Propaganda TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #6
Show them this: TalkingDog Feb 2012 #7
I was just going to find that link for the op. NT Mojorabbit Feb 2012 #20
Those That Assert, Must First Prove. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #9
the real deal is that gasoline has become one of the USA's largest exports NMDemDist2 Feb 2012 #10
I posted what is below plus what "old and in the way" said, thanks peeps rainy Feb 2012 #11
not sure of the implication of your friend's fb post handmade34 Feb 2012 #12
I would first tell him that the 'liberal media' is no such thing. The MSM is GOPonziconz Feb 2012 #13
Speculation TomClash Feb 2012 #15
here is an interesting link about OUR oil- Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #16
The UK imports very little oil from Iran, yes; France also imports very little. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #17
Maybe they'll buy more from Libya now... Amonester Feb 2012 #18
Gas prices are tied to oil prices, oil prices are tied to the cost of production bhikkhu Feb 2012 #19
What I would say.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #22
It has been my experience that when I google RW talking points Ohio Dem Feb 2012 #24
The oil companies shut down the refineries EC Feb 2012 #25
What don’t they understand about free market concepts? left is right Feb 2012 #26
The facts are out there. toddwv Feb 2012 #27
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