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DirkGently

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13. Everywhere he's been has been held out as "ironically" less "free" than the U.S.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:38 PM
Jul 2013

The letter makes an excellent point.

First we heard that Hong Kong was identical to mainland China; therefore a human rights abuser; therefore an "ironic" place to which one might flee.

Then Russia. Oooh. Another "bad guy" country, old-school. How could there be better than here?

Now it's South America bashing, under the longstanding U.S. rubric that South American countries are full of evil leftists, whom the U.S. has beneficently fought against, albeit in the filthiest and most murderous ways, often on the side of brutal rightwing dictators, in order that banana companies might flourish.

It's disingenuous bullshit. What IS actually ironic is that the U.S. is becoming a place people flee FROM to avoid political persecution.

The smug assumption that anywhere but here is a less free and human-rights friendly environment floats glibly past the fact that this is no longer true for some people, and moreover, WHY is that?

So, no, it's not a contest as to which country is better. Go, USA. Still richer and thus safer than most, for many people. But the "irony" in the fact that someone would choose to leave here to go -- yes, ANYWHERE ELSE -- is not in favor of the U.S.

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K&R. This is a very important letter. Timely too since Samantha Powers is demonizing Venezuela Catherina Jul 2013 #1
What a liar that woman is. I wonder how they sleep at night. Samantha Power sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #19
They sure could. In Venezuela the poor voted and said they wanted a say in things, a voice Catherina Jul 2013 #20
Excellent summation of the comparison between a country that actually IS by, for and of the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #23
We've got such a long way to go starting with campaign finance reform Catherina Jul 2013 #34
I agree, excellent post - should be an OP. leveymg Jul 2013 #27
Thanks leveymg, I'll save it for the right day with that thought in mind Catherina Jul 2013 #35
Very convincing and eloquently spoken in form. leveymg Jul 2013 #37
Excellent suggestions. Thank you Catherina Jul 2013 #38
The U.S. media also fails to report that Cuenca, Ecuador mc51tc Jul 2013 #2
That sounds like heaven. RobertEarl Jul 2013 #3
Or that their democratically re-elected President has a 90% approval rating the highest in the world Catherina Jul 2013 #4
Thanks for that Cat RobertEarl Jul 2013 #5
We tried a little coup against him. It didn't work. The people and young soldiers went to rescue him Catherina Jul 2013 #8
Remember that situation. There were right-wing supporters of that attempt Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #11
The power of the people when they're decided on change! Catherina Jul 2013 #30
When was the last time the US backed the more humane, ethical leader? BlueStreak Jul 2013 #29
The only exception I can think of is Aristide BUT Catherina Jul 2013 #31
That's a good example. BlueStreak Jul 2013 #36
Iow, these countries, once they got rid of the influences that WE are doomed to live with sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #24
Correa said something very astute during an interview I watched recently Catherina Jul 2013 #33
What a true answer from Correa who is a brilliant man. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #39
Oh good. Another thread about Snowden reminding us that it isn't about him. I was msanthrope Jul 2013 #6
That is such a weak reply. morningfog Jul 2013 #10
So weak you replied to it? nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #14
Was that letter written by Edward Snowden? Joe Hyperion Jul 2013 #16
NOW, it's about him, since that's all a few people here wanted it to be. Don't understand the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #25
K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #7
This is a very misguided analysis of the criticism. cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #9
Everywhere he's been has been held out as "ironically" less "free" than the U.S. DirkGently Jul 2013 #13
Disagree... its irresponsible to ignore the critics' implications. n/t cprise Jul 2013 #17
The letter doesn't say Snowden is seeking asylum in these countries ronnie624 Jul 2013 #21
I think the irony is that the ONLY countries offering him asylum are JaneyVee Jul 2013 #12
this^^^^^ nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #15
+1 gulliver Jul 2013 #18
The US has a much worse human rights record. ronnie624 Jul 2013 #22
So the statistics should show asylum seekers... gulliver Jul 2013 #32
He is fleeing a country with one of the worst human rights record in the world right now. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #26
Perfection is required to give asylum? treestar Jul 2013 #28
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