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cherokeeprogressive

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21. Your post presupposes that both pictures are the "norm". I argue they are not.

Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:16 PM

Jul 2013

I have a VERY large family. My maternal Grandma was the oldest of 10 children. My Dad is the youngest of 13. One family is "headquartered" in OK, the other in PA. Nearly all have guns of one sort or another.

While I'll admit not having been to EVERYONE'S house, I've been to most. NONE of my family members would pose their children in front of a Christmas Tree with guns. I've never known any of my Aunts/Uncles/Cousins to play with guns. I do have a cousin who somehow got his hands on a box of .22 shells, and managed to make one (a rimfire cartridge) go off while trying to separate the bullet from the casing and after bouncing off a couple of walls in his Dad's garage it lodged in his index finger. His Dad beat the living shit out of him when they got home from the Emergency Room. We were both 10 at the time (I wasn't there, but we stopped at their house on a family vacation about a week after it happened). I'm betting he never did anything like that again. I'm also betting he has all of his now deceased Dad's guns and that his kids (who are now in their 20's and 30's) knew better than to touch them without permission.

I would posit that my experience is far more common then either of the pictures you decided to post trying to make your point.

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Racism and gun culture [View all] BainsBane Jul 2013 OP

Sorry ... 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #1

Poor trigger finger control all around. aikoaiko Jul 2013 #2

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #18

what does that mean? jimboss Jul 2013 #44

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #48

What the FUCK does trigger finger control have to do with race? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #49

So, there's nothing to see there, but you see it too. Alrighty then.... nt Electric Monk Jul 2013 #53

See my edit, Slick. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #55

Inside trigger guards jimboss Jul 2013 #69

Sorry I was away for so long. aikoaiko Jul 2013 #74

is that Jim Rob or rim Job, or boss hog? Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #76

Cherokee BainsBane Jul 2013 #68

Done. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #116

Someone did alert on his BainsBane Jul 2013 #118

Electric Monk asked me to explain his post BainsBane Jul 2013 #119

Dude, I suggest BainsBane Jul 2013 #67

I was thinking the same thing. ZX86 Jul 2013 #3

Ironic that the defense was talking about Trayvon talking about getting a gun BainsBane Jul 2013 #6

I don't know Florida laws, Jenoch Jul 2013 #8

At 17, Trayvon Martin could not carry a gun in any state, but ironically he could be drafted Kennah Jul 2013 #28

I thought draft age is 18? Jenoch Jul 2013 #36

I stand corrected. It is 18. Kennah Jul 2013 #43

He might not be old enough to be drafted, but with parental consent he could enlist. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #50

Enlist at 17 and 1/2 with permission. Draft could go as low as 15 in theory. Sirveri Jul 2013 #117

And some think both the pics are murderous jackholes out to shoot everyone The Straight Story Jul 2013 #4

Whereas others only think one picture is of a murderous jackass BainsBane Jul 2013 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Jul 2013 #65

Or perhaps careless jackholes who don't really mean to hurt anyone but ooops.. Fumesucker Jul 2013 #92

Yeah, accidents with many things are common and guns are no different The Straight Story Jul 2013 #93

Sadly, if there were no guns in those pictures, only one of the captions would petronius Jul 2013 #7

The racist part is Jenoch Jul 2013 #9

Are you honestly claiming BainsBane Jul 2013 #10

you labeled him the thug! your epidermis is showing. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #11

My hope is someday BainsBane Jul 2013 #17

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #23

I guess his comment didn't stand. baldguy Jul 2013 #30

I wonder why? BainsBane Jul 2013 #32

LOL - BainsBane Skittles Jul 2013 #47

update BainsBane Jul 2013 #99

I am tired of these nitwits Skittles Jul 2013 #107

Fortunately there is now one less to be tired of BainsBane Jul 2013 #111

perpetuating the myth Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #33

Is this part of the BainsBane Jul 2013 #35

you tell me. you are the OP. all I know is that those pix are not representative of my friends Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #39

It's a critique of assumptions regarding race BainsBane Jul 2013 #51

nothing you do surprises me anymore. carry on. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #104

I really don't understand why you are so resistant BainsBane Jul 2013 #108

Speaking of showing, is it unlucky to have 13 hidden posts (in the last 90 days) on your profile? Electric Monk Jul 2013 #41

Yeah, I didn't phrase that too well. Jenoch Jul 2013 #13

The fact is most Americans are taught to fear black men BainsBane Jul 2013 #15

I was only commenting upon a photo Jenoch Jul 2013 #19

the image conveys stereotypes in American society BainsBane Jul 2013 #20

Is that anything like being taught to fear gun owners The Straight Story Jul 2013 #25

It's totally illogical to fear a lethal weapon BainsBane Jul 2013 #27

Anyone carrying a knife is prepared to kill as well (just ask the TSA) The Straight Story Jul 2013 #29

Only they aren't nearly as successful BainsBane Jul 2013 #34

Not everyone with a gun is prepared to kill. Jenoch Jul 2013 #37

Really? People carry guns who aren't prepared to use them? BainsBane Jul 2013 #40

"People carry guns who aren't prepared to use them?" Jenoch Jul 2013 #46

So they are prepared to use the gun but pretend it doesn't kill? BainsBane Jul 2013 #56

You don't know as much about guns and their use Jenoch Jul 2013 #61

club member? BainsBane Jul 2013 #83

You missed my point. Jenoch Jul 2013 #84

Your anecdotal evidence doesn't change the data BainsBane Jul 2013 #85

You recently wrote a post Jenoch Jul 2013 #86

Because when people carry guns around BainsBane Jul 2013 #89

"There are hundreds of cases of CCW holders killing someone. " Jenoch Jul 2013 #101

Okay BainsBane Jul 2013 #102

Did you miss this part? Jenoch Jul 2013 #105

Oh, you want evidence from the NRA BainsBane Jul 2013 #110

"... you want evidence from the NRA..." Jenoch Jul 2013 #114

The VPC provides crime stats BainsBane Jul 2013 #121

If someone produced crime stats Jenoch Jul 2013 #122

"Someone will take it off the owner and use it against him or her." The Straight Story Jul 2013 #52

cops are trained BainsBane Jul 2013 #57

ok, so I used to be a cop, no problem with me open carrying then like cops do? The Straight Story Jul 2013 #59

You would go there BainsBane Jul 2013 #58

Same logic and idea, you only seem to think it applies in certain cases The Straight Story Jul 2013 #60

Not even close BainsBane Jul 2013 #62

Have training. Don't own a gun, so it does not personally affect me directly (nt) The Straight Story Jul 2013 #63

I fixed it for you. Jenoch Jul 2013 #100

"If Trayvon Martin was of age and had a gun, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk?" baldguy Jul 2013 #14

He was 17. Jenoch Jul 2013 #16

It doesn't. And that's why the quote starts out with "If Trayvon Martin was of age..." baldguy Jul 2013 #26

Ok, I sort of missed that part. Jenoch Jul 2013 #38

I'm guessing you didn't look at the link. baldguy Jul 2013 #45

I'll tell you the answer to that BainsBane Jul 2013 #54

K&R - nt Ohio Joe Jul 2013 #12

Your post presupposes that both pictures are the "norm". I argue they are not. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #21

No one in my family would pose like that either BainsBane Jul 2013 #22

My father and brothers own many guns, Jenoch Jul 2013 #103

Fixating on who would take a photo like that misses the point BainsBane Jul 2013 #106

I did not miss the point. Jenoch Jul 2013 #109

Who said they did? BainsBane Jul 2013 #113

My point is that while you seem Jenoch Jul 2013 #115

Sorry about your cousin.... AverageJoe90 Jul 2013 #64

Good question, Average, but be assured short generations ago it was VERY common raccoon Jul 2013 #94

I'm not quite so sure about that. AverageJoe90 Jul 2013 #96

I'm glad your cousin survived BainsBane Jul 2013 #82

I don't know the answer Not Sure Jul 2013 #24

It's not a question BainsBane Jul 2013 #31

My bad Not Sure Jul 2013 #66

I realized that BainsBane Jul 2013 #70

K & R! billh58 Jul 2013 #42

To me, they both look dangerous LittleBlue Jul 2013 #71

The only reason the kids in the first pic are not thugs Lucky Luciano Jul 2013 #72

How should Americans view race and guns? n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #73

Why don't you tell us? BainsBane Jul 2013 #75

I'm sorry, I assumed you had an opinion to share. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #77

I thought it was pretty clear BainsBane Jul 2013 #78

Yeah, we know what THOSE people think. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #79

Want to get SEVERE gun restrictions passed? It's easy! B Stieg Jul 2013 #80

No doubt BainsBane Jul 2013 #81

This is almost exactly what happened under Reagan, Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #87

There was a thread advocating more African American gun ownership BainsBane Jul 2013 #88

Well said! B Stieg Jul 2013 #90

You need only see the cartoon from Bowling for Columbine AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #91

Thanks for that BainsBane Jul 2013 #98

I noticed black attendance at the gun show yesterday ileus Jul 2013 #95

That will freak the NRA out BainsBane Jul 2013 #97

gundamentalist racists: the NRA's core sigmasix Jul 2013 #112

That trigger discipline Malik Agar Jul 2013 #120