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36. Rail is also a good alternative. Moving steel by truck is very inefficient and it beats up the roads

Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:48 PM

Jul 2013

But steel is only one of the things that those trucks carry. The issue is allowing superheavy trucks on the roads, not what they carry.

Other states do not allow them.

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Six crazy ideas for saving Detroit [View all] ErikJ Jul 2013 OP

Citizenship. ZX86 Jul 2013 #1

work? if there were lots of jobs there, the problem would already be solved. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #14

I'm no expert on urban planning. ZX86 Jul 2013 #19

no. they bring CAPITAL. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #30

Yse, in my inner city neighborhood, lots and lots of home renovation and remodeling ErikJ Jul 2013 #74

Rip the freeways out of inner Detroit and put in streetcars ErikJ Jul 2013 #2

And what would these people do? former9thward Jul 2013 #4

I said just inner Detroit..... at least. ErikJ Jul 2013 #9

The employers want and need freeways. former9thward Jul 2013 #11

BS. Cars are what are ultimately destroying Detroit. ErikJ Jul 2013 #18

But for cars, there wouldn't BE a Detroit philosslayer Jul 2013 #20

So what? Total car dependency is what kills any city. ErikJ Jul 2013 #41

Are those street cars going to bring supplies to factories and business? former9thward Jul 2013 #21

Factories are normally located in the outer parts of modern day metro areas now. ErikJ Jul 2013 #43

Now you have gone 180 degrees. former9thward Jul 2013 #62

Oh, factory work is soooo 19th century NickB79 Jul 2013 #100

all the 'creative types' are in *advertising,* doncha know. ADVERTISING. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #112

What is really weird is the superheavy, multi-axle trucks they allow to carry steel, etc. FarCenter Jul 2013 #26

So is your idea to try and make it so only barges can bring steel into Detroit? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #29

Rail is also a good alternative. Moving steel by truck is very inefficient and it beats up the roads FarCenter Jul 2013 #36

So you just kind of expect a rail line to every factory? There's a reason that trucks exist. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #37

Factories involved with heavy freight are usually built along rail lines or spurs. FarCenter Jul 2013 #44

Those specs are for 5 axle trucks. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2013 #117

streetcars for *who*? to *where*? you act like there's some thriving business community HiPointDem Jul 2013 #32

Unincorporate most of Detroit into about a dozen new suburbs FarCenter Jul 2013 #3

No, make the whole Metro area into one big city. ErikJ Jul 2013 #6

That worked out real good for Toronto . . . ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #12

Toronto ranks as one of the most livable cities in the WORLD! NYC is the Big Apple. ErikJ Jul 2013 #22

TO is in debt up to it's neck ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #55

World's Most Livable Cities Index: Vancouver, Toronto, Calgary Take Spots In Top 10 ErikJ Jul 2013 #78

The New York Metro area is NOT "one big city" brooklynite Jul 2013 #92

That might work if you cut per capita spending in Detroit down to what is is in the burbs. FarCenter Jul 2013 #17

The problem is that Detroit population is half what it used to be and ErikJ Jul 2013 #23

Suburbs around major cities are designed to prevent the wealth redistribution scheme you advocate FarCenter Jul 2013 #35

BANKS are the biggest tax dodgers in Detroit. Not residents. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #33

Free space for artists, organic growers, restaurants, theater groups, architects. Peregrine Took Jul 2013 #5

Good idea! --and microbreweries too. ErikJ Jul 2013 #7

That's just gentrification. It will only push out the poor. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #13

And large concentration of poverty is better than gentrification? ErikJ Jul 2013 #25

Do you not understand the definition of gentrification? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #28

BS. The gentrified parts of my city are very integrated. ErikJ Jul 2013 #38

Which city do you live in? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #42

Portland Or ErikJ Jul 2013 #46

Portland is like a perfect microcosm of all that is wrong with gentrification... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #50

there were never 'miles' of boarded up main streets in portland. and there are not roving bands HiPointDem Jul 2013 #79

Surely you dont condone the status quo of large concentrations of urban poverty do you? ErikJ Jul 2013 #82

you apparently condone the new status quo of large concentrations of suburban poverty. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #83

That little "yupster development" of mostly retirees is pumping millions of revenue into the city. ErikJ Jul 2013 #85

ooooooooohhhhhh. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #91

and they can't fund their schools, despite all those award-winning 'millions'. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #94

You sound almost exactly like the Clackistan Tea baggers I used to debate all the time. ErikJ Jul 2013 #96

tea baggers dislike gentrication? coulda fooled me. i thought they talked more about how HiPointDem Jul 2013 #98

Clackistan Teabaggers despise everything Portland. They call us all a bunch liberal pinko commies. ErikJ Jul 2013 #102

except i don't hate portland, the max or the pearl district. otherwise, the similarities are HiPointDem Jul 2013 #103

The "creative types" are moving here and like the inner city. Cant stop progress. ErikJ Jul 2013 #106

oh, gag. yeah, the fucking 'creative types'. they're no more creative than anyone else, they HiPointDem Jul 2013 #109

Yeah sure. Advertising is huge in Portland. No creativity needed for that. ErikJ Jul 2013 #110

oh, well now, advertising. yes, by god, the sine non qua of creative endeavor. i didn't know HiPointDem Jul 2013 #111

No, they're not. You can't be 'very integrated' when 3/4 of your population is WHITE & only HiPointDem Jul 2013 #81

They were concentrated in inner NE Portland which is a 5 mile radius area. ErikJ Jul 2013 #84

i'm not assuming anything. i'm saying your little gentrified neighborhoods aren't 'highly HiPointDem Jul 2013 #99

Inner SE no, inner NE yes. ErikJ Jul 2013 #101

non-seq. and when you say 'highly integrated,' what you actually mean is 'transitional'. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #107

So you support and condone large concentrations of poverty in areas ErikJ Jul 2013 #108

lol. i don't live in the burbs. and there are no jobs here, we have 10+% unemployment. so no, HiPointDem Jul 2013 #113

Modern advertising needs highly skilled artistic types. ErikJ Jul 2013 #114

COMPUTERS. Yeah, they make art work so much more SKILLED. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #115

Nothing brings in hard currency quite like a theater group. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #27

+1 leeroysphitz Jul 2013 #40

lol Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #127

ridiculous. who is going to frequent these art galleries & coffee shops? that only works if some HiPointDem Jul 2013 #34

Artists and indy entrepreneurs are the pioneers for urban renewal. ErikJ Jul 2013 #39

That's not how gentrification works. Impoverished artists move into low rent areas... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #45

Concentrated poverty isnt good for anyone-black or white. Diversity and integration is the result. ErikJ Jul 2013 #48

Bullshit. A forced exodus of poor minorities is the result of gentrification. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #51

Things change my friend. Most inner cities were originally very white and upscale. ErikJ Jul 2013 #53

Things certainly changed in your "diverse" city of Portland. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #54

Tell that to all the middle class blacks living here then. ErikJ Jul 2013 #61

Are you seriously attempting to justify displacing poor minorities... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #66

in portland ore? it's 6% black, & they aren't all middle class by a long shot. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #70

Nothing changes, my friend. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #59

no, it's not. but the phenomenon you mention doesn't help the resident poor. it just pushes HiPointDem Jul 2013 #58

The warehouses and manufacturers are now located in the burbs and the ErikJ Jul 2013 #63

Are you not comprehending the racist underpinnings of your entire position? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #67

Its mostly young people who like diversity. And they do NOT want to live in the burbs like their ErikJ Jul 2013 #71

"Young people who like diversity" is code for upwardly mobile, white college students... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #73

They do here. Lots of blacks and whites living in the inner city. ErikJ Jul 2013 #75

Portland is one of the whitest urban environments in the entire United States. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #76

Inner NE Portland was almost solid African-American for a long time. ErikJ Jul 2013 #80

what crap. you moved to portland 2 minutes ago. you don't know anything about it, as you HiPointDem Jul 2013 #86

Moved to Portland in '86 when they just finished the 1st MAX lightrail run. ErikJ Jul 2013 #88

bad reputation -- compared to what? bellevue WA? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #90

You keep talking about "hip" college students. What you're talking about is white people... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #120

Portland is 6% black & 32% of them qualify for food stamps; 40% of those over 16 are not in the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #77

baloney. the warehouses and manufacturers are gone, period. that's why they were boarded up. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #68

not the same situation. you're thinking of places like nyc in the 70s-80s, where aspiring arty HiPointDem Jul 2013 #47

Ever heard of Motown and White Stripes and dozens of other bands. ErikJ Jul 2013 #49

i heard of motown when it actually existed. and detroit was a thriving city with a strong HiPointDem Jul 2013 #52

High density housing and govt help ErikJ Jul 2013 #57

So what? Money. What's the big fucking surprise? Money does wonders. high density, low HiPointDem Jul 2013 #60

Ever heard of property taxes? That area makes the city tens of millions in property tax revenue. ErikJ Jul 2013 #69

Portland in the 70s was dying? Are you fucking for real? It was in no way dying. I'm a native HiPointDem Jul 2013 #72

From what I've read, the 70's Portland was lets say, very gritty. ErikJ Jul 2013 #87

'from what i've read'. what you've read is crap. portland & seattle were roughly comparable in the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #89

There were miles of boarded up streets along Alberta and Mississippi alone. ErikJ Jul 2013 #93

whatever you say, mr transplant. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #97

7. Robocop thelordofhell Jul 2013 #8

combine 1 - 5 Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #10

jobs. duh. it's always about jobs, and jobs is apparently the one 'crazy' idea the ruling class HiPointDem Jul 2013 #15

Got an idea of how to create those jobs??? missingthebigdog Jul 2013 #121

'attract companies' = lol. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #122

I guess I don't understand what is funny. missingthebigdog Jul 2013 #125

Well I get it. PETRUS Jul 2013 #128

+1 Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #129

Get a mayor that knows what hell he/she is doing... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #16

Declare Detroit a national park, and its citizens an endangered species. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2013 #24

Let squatters fix up the places and call them home! phillysquatter Jul 2013 #31

Might be a very good investment. I know a guy who made a million that way. ErikJ Jul 2013 #64

apparently you don't know what a squatter is either. So typical of the 'creative' class. They HiPointDem Jul 2013 #119

Build a double wall around it with guards and security monitoring systems itsrobert Jul 2013 #56

The Washington Post is now publishing flippant crap like this instead of serious ideas. Nice to know pa28 Jul 2013 #65

+100. the leadership of the funny folks at the wapo are the same class of people who created HiPointDem Jul 2013 #118

I too was pretty taken aback at the tone of the piece, aside from the utter HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #123

90% of the replies to this post exhibit no understanding of Detroit's situation whatsoever... brooklynite Jul 2013 #95

Detroit needs a huge federal "Marshal Plan" of urban renewal. ErikJ Jul 2013 #104

George Marshall looks like a friggin' giant compared to the pygmies HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #124

Okaaaay. n/t pa28 Jul 2013 #116

My guess is Politicalboi Jul 2013 #105

#7: More guys like the one who enjoys having sex with cars. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #126