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ucrdem

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19. It's an excellent starting postition.

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 03:19 PM

Jul 2013

1 - It may be true that Republican cooperation is usually required to accomplish anything legislatively, but the odds are that anything they propose will be packed with nasty surprises and any changes they require to Dem proposals will be bad ones.

2 - And if you look at any of their showboat pronouncements, for example Rand Paul's "objections" to drone warfare, surprise, it's not what you want it to be: he's objecting to the DOMESTIC drones, which as far as I know haven't killed anyone, not their quasi-military use, which is what the NYT exposed in their infamous series.

3 - So I'd say that as a rule of thumb, you can't go wrong by disagreeing with everything they say or propose, at least until you understand exactly what they're saying or proposing, and that means reading the legislation.

Now if your next clever move is to bring up Romney care or some such, please see #1.

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Should a Democrat always disagree with everything a Republican says? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 OP

Do what's right. If republicans agree so be it. nt bluestate10 Jul 2013 #1

We should do what get us the most votes, what Republicans think is of little importance NoOneMan Jul 2013 #2

No LittleBlue Jul 2013 #3

We should do what's right, what Republicans think is of little importance Flashmann Jul 2013 #4

You will do as you please, no matter how people MineralMan Jul 2013 #5

And there it is whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #8

There is much more to it than that. MineralMan Jul 2013 #9

Like what? YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #15

Paul disagreed with Bush all of his egregious policies both foreign and those 'laws' he managed sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #22

Ron Paul said he never voted for spending bills but made sure he attached his Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #71

Any other Republicans who opposed Bush's Wars? We certainly have plenty of Democrats sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #119

Fuck Ron Paul! MineralMan Jul 2013 #98

Fuck Republicans like Clapper in a Democratic President's Administration. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #118

Fucking A right! K&R think Jul 2013 #128

! whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #139

Manny aggrandizing himself? Say it ain't so! great white snark Jul 2013 #56

Attempting to divide Democrats again too. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #154

Paul mania strikes again. mick063 Jul 2013 #74

Paul was opposed to Bush's foreign policies. He was rightabout that. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #130

Bravo! whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #6

Especially when in the process one ends up "standing with" many more TeaPubliKlans TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #10

Ain't that the truth whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #11

Bingo. nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #12

That, in a nutshell... 99Forever Jul 2013 #92

Especially when they have not a word to say about a Democratic President who apparently sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #23

Whacky huh? whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #33

Yes, I've tried over an over to get a response to my questions about this, but as you can see sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #34

Answer? No whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #39

Lol, well since I'm not even getting that anymore, I guess it has become too much of a problem sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #40

Well, Obama must believe that "continuity of government" matters 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #37

I just wish I could get an answer to my question, which I think is reasonable since sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #38

Yes, I quite agree with your assessment Sabrina 1 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #41

Bwahaha keep thinking that. great white snark Jul 2013 #47

Don't know any libertarians on DU, but I sure know a LIBELtarian when I see one whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #58

The important thing is to be on the team bus, not under it. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #7

Like ProSense Jul 2013 #13

Why has Obama appointed so many Republicans to his Cabinet in positions of power that we sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #24

You should ask him. ProSense Jul 2013 #44

I asked you. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #46

And I told you what to do. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #49

Is Dodge your middle name? whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #60

Don't ask stupid questions unrelated to the point I made. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #62

Clearly its ok to agree with Republicans, particularly when they call JoePhilly Jul 2013 #14

Please link to an example MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #16

No, and no. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #17

Yes, I saw the Stasi mentioned recently Oilwellian Jul 2013 #18

+1 I believe he said the Stasi would be jealous of the NSA. woo me with science Jul 2013 #21

That's right Oilwellian Jul 2013 #25

The funny thing is that I had not seen that particular DU reference to JoePhilly Jul 2013 #122

Well, this is ironic. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #159

three people on one jury used the word 'hyperbole' ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #20

Thanks ... btw ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #129

Please post an example of your claim or you need to remove that post. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #26

Again, no. Such refeences are made her all the time. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #123

My dislike is not for any person. Politics is not about 'persons', it is about policies. Your sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #133

What you are saying is that we should ignore half of the country. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #135

Nailed it. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #136

We are not talking about A Reublican we are talking Republicans in Defense, in Economics, in sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #138

Half the people is not all the people. thetonka Jul 2013 #153

Where have DUers called Obama a Nazi? leftstreet Jul 2013 #42

Oh come on. ucrdem Jul 2013 #51

That's your proof that DU'ers call Pres Obama a Nazi "on a fairly regular basis? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #59

If that's a question, the answer is no, ucrdem Jul 2013 #68

The original post #14, stated calling Pres Obama a Nazi "happens right here on DU on a fairly regula rhett o rick Jul 2013 #78

A jury disagreed with you on post #14, and I posted several links. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #81

Neither you nor poster #14 provided any links showing any DU'ers calling Pres Obama rhett o rick Jul 2013 #95

Absolutely false. I supplied links in post #51 above. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #101

The link you posted did not show a DU poster calling Pres Obama a Nazi. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #103

Look, you made a claim. Your claim is false. This is your stink, not mine. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #104

You claimed that DU posters called the President a Nazi. That is your stink. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #105

That is another false claim, as your friend below discovered. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #108

Um, no you didn't. But thanks for the proof that no DUer ever called the President a 'nazi'. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #142

Actually, I did: I posted two links, an excerpt, and a video in #51. ucrdem Jul 2013 #147

As I've told many right wingers, you can't get out of it that way treestar Jul 2013 #55

Sometimes they DO say it exactly. ucrdem Jul 2013 #61

Put up or shut up. You claim DUers call Obama a Nazi leftstreet Jul 2013 #87

Oh? And where did I claim that? ucrdem Jul 2013 #90

You're not even very good at this leftstreet Jul 2013 #91

You didn't answer the question, because I said no such thing. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #100

In your response to post #42. Did you forget? Or did you think your clever wording would get by? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #111

I made no such claim, and if you think I did, post a direct quotation with a link. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #115

Highly insinuated in some of the NSA/Snowden threads treestar Jul 2013 #134

You're not going to like what is happening in Europe then if you don't like the very apt sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #144

Yes indeed. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #155

Then prove it. So far you have failed to do so. n/t sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #143

Wrong. I proved it with two images, and in the post you just answered. ucrdem Jul 2013 #145

??? That is an image from the Drudge Report, a despicable site to which I would never give a sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #148

You need to read more carefully. Hint: pronoun reference. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #149

You need to prove what you claimed. Hint ~ Duers called the President a Nazi. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #150

You're the third person to make that false claim. Prove it or begone. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #151

Bingo. nt. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #124

Good grief, are you for real? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #53

It's an excellent starting postition. ucrdem Jul 2013 #19

So why does President Obama have so many Republicans in his cabinet? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #28

The short answer is optics. ucrdem Jul 2013 #36

It makes a whole lot of difference to those who voted for Democrats rather than Republicans sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #43

The problem is that most cabinet-level positions require Senate confirmation ucrdem Jul 2013 #48

Plus they are working for a Democratic President treestar Jul 2013 #54

Yes, exactly. Oddly enough, ucrdem Jul 2013 #57

Do you really think Comey is the best man for the job? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #96

You honestly think that Clapper, Mueller, Comey, Alexander, and Brennan changed rhett o rick Jul 2013 #80

they don't have to agree with the President politically to carry out the job treestar Jul 2013 #89

I am betting the Pres doesnt know the first thing about the intelligence rhett o rick Jul 2013 #94

I posted something about this � 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #157

Convenient and whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #63

Oh bs. So effing sick of the excuses we have for everything that is wrong about this country. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #120

The long answer is that he had no choice. Those in charge told him who to appoint. That's why rhett o rick Jul 2013 #112

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #27

+lots-o-numbers! n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #35

Republicans are an afterthought. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #29

don't think, just obey markiv Jul 2013 #30

Knee-Jerks!! RobertEarl Jul 2013 #31

OTHER: Yes, otherwise they will be skewered on DU for having ANY truck w/ GOP. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #32

I think we should always oppose everything Republicans want burnodo Jul 2013 #45

What do we do when Chuck Hagel wants something? n/t hughee99 Jul 2013 #64

'twas Obama's fault for nominating him burnodo Jul 2013 #69

He works for Obama though, and presumably what he says hughee99 Jul 2013 #85

Ohhhhh....well burnodo Jul 2013 #86

Then, of course, you have those issues that get unanimous votes... hughee99 Jul 2013 #93

Well it certainly works for Republicans burnodo Jul 2013 #99

Does it really work for them, though? hughee99 Jul 2013 #102

It keeps them within miniscule percentages of the popular vote burnodo Jul 2013 #109

That is the lamest thing I have heard for a long time. Why would you appoint someone that is rhett o rick Jul 2013 #113

They always have the option to fire him if he doesn't behave, just as they had hughee99 Jul 2013 #114

Always question authority MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #50

Every person has a duty to seek the truth. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #52

Just when they talk stupid; or make shit up; or violate the Constitution Demeter Jul 2013 #65

We should do whats right madokie Jul 2013 #66

Neither party should dismiss utility in favor of ideology or emotion. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #67

Aww � 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #158

Fuck Ron and Rand Paul. bluedigger Jul 2013 #70

The majority of posts referencing the Pauls are by the whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #73

I think it's a strawman hypothesis to begin with. bluedigger Jul 2013 #79

I agree whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #82

even a broken watch quaker bill Jul 2013 #72

No, but shawn703 Jul 2013 #75

In my opinion, ideas are greater than party labels. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #76

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jul 2013 #152

Always Disagreeing with Your Interlocutor On the Road Jul 2013 #77

du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #83

You do what is right Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #84

repub libertarians, fundamentalists and corporatists rarely agree. pampango Jul 2013 #88

The way I look at it Manny is that Republicans and any other malcontents are free to agree with me Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #97

When republicans tell the truth or use facts, I will agree with them. liberal N proud Jul 2013 #106

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #107

Once a month Rand Paul says something sane carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #110

Look at 'em freak the hell out. Lol. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #116

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #117

Not just for the sake of doing so... LeftishBrit Jul 2013 #121

Do what is right, but when was the last B Calm Jul 2013 #125

With this current collection of Right Wingers, absolutely disagree with everything MrScorpio Jul 2013 #126

if certain Republicans are against spying on our own people- then I think we should support it Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #127

Rand Paul's neo-Confederate sympathies are a deal breaker for me... MinM Jul 2013 #131

Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #132

Only when trying to enter the Pyramids of Mars nt One_Life_To_Give Jul 2013 #137

THEY are the party of "NO." We are not. DFW Jul 2013 #140

The possible responses for the poll don't seem well thought out. Omnith Jul 2013 #141

Apparently it's impossible to disagree with them once you're elected President ;^) grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #146

Divide and conquer, baby! emulatorloo Jul 2013 #156