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John2

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103. Well,I'm going

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 07:26 PM

Jul 2013

to agree with you, because she did not say the things she said in this interview under oath. Did she tell Martin's parents, lawyers and the prosecution that? I'm not going to be so easy on her. She seemed very reluctant to talk before and during the case but all of a sudden appearing on these shows and talking now with no trouble.

My point all along was There was no evidence Trayvon had circled back and attacked Zimmerman. Now she is essentially claiming he did that and wasn't afraid of Zimmerman. She could have saved everybody a lot of trouble if she is claiming that now. She should have told the Martins' that and the lawyers. If that evidence would have been presented to me like that, I would have voted not guilty.

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A tale of two hoodies (wow) [View all] TalkingDog Jul 2013 OP

That's certainly the way a lot of people here think it went down XemaSab Jul 2013 #1

I used to respect what you wrote. It has been amazing what I've read during Zimmy Dayz uppityperson Jul 2013 #2

There's some devil's advocacy on my part, I'll admit that XemaSab Jul 2013 #6

TM hadn't played football for yrs and was not "a boxer" and claiming things that aren't real is uppityperson Jul 2013 #9

Yeah, Trayvon wasn't a boxer, hadn't played peewee football IN 5 YEARS Ecumenist Jul 2013 #14

I totally agree that the police response was 100% racist XemaSab Jul 2013 #22

There should not have been any reasonable doubt zimmerman was lying thru his teeth brush Jul 2013 #38

I dunno how "justice" works in your ideal world XemaSab Jul 2013 #50

Where's the evidence on the body? brush Jul 2013 #58

you're heaven05 Jul 2013 #61

Actually, I thought Z was 110% guilty until the trial XemaSab Jul 2013 #66

please heaven05 Jul 2013 #71

Wow, it's amazing! XemaSab Jul 2013 #75

Oh heaven05 Jul 2013 #79

Yes or no? XemaSab Jul 2013 #81

no heaven05 Jul 2013 #84

Why don't you answer yes or no brush Jul 2013 #147

Produce the article John2 Jul 2013 #98

She told a totally different story after she got off the stand XemaSab Jul 2013 #100

Why are you such a huge zimmerman supporter? brush Jul 2013 #149

AMEN! AMEN! nt brush Jul 2013 #148

From Oakland, huh? Aquavit Jul 2013 #116

The photos I have seen of the back of Z's jacket show no dirt, mud or grass stains.. same for the secondwind Jul 2013 #117

The ballistics expert, as I understand it, only gave one scenario. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #118

and I guess he had to get shot point blank in the heart Ghost of Tom Joad Jul 2013 #160

Where should he have fired that warning shot...? Pelican Jul 2013 #165

Anywhere other than in Trayvon. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #173

Please be more specific... Pelican Jul 2013 #178

The street if possible. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #179

Where it would ricochet into the straight block inhabited homes... Pelican Jul 2013 #181

You think it is better that Trayvon was murdered? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #183

I think all "warning shots" and "shots to the arm or leg" are idiotic and dangerous... Pelican Jul 2013 #185

So it was a good thing he fired at Trayvon? Just answer the question. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #186

The jury should have had no doubt that zimmerman was lying brush Jul 2013 #146

I am sick of these women that found Zimmerman innocent and continue to rationalize it here at DU nt populistdriven Jul 2013 #107

It also sickens me that many of these women are mothers unapatriciated Jul 2013 #120

cheers! populistdriven Jul 2013 #187

Can you John2 Jul 2013 #86

9:55 in the video XemaSab Jul 2013 #91

I appreciate... Unca Jim Jul 2013 #105

He got off because the jury believed brush Jul 2013 #152

and if Zimmerman hadn't killed him and Trayvon was charged with assault? yurbud Jul 2013 #176

+1 fortyfeetunder Jul 2013 #114

The problem ctsnowman Jul 2013 #124

If Trayvon threw a punch is was because he was defending himself against a guy who was lumpy Jul 2013 #73

Catch this from "The Birdcage"? SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #110

agree 1000% with you too. okieinpain Jul 2013 #135

yeah heaven05 Jul 2013 #20

I get what you're saying here... pipi_k Jul 2013 #27

Check out post #38 brush Jul 2013 #41

If Trayvon Martin hadn't been killed pipi_k Jul 2013 #67

Why not? Iggo Jul 2013 #74

Do you think zimmerman is? brush Jul 2013 #76

you're heaven05 Jul 2013 #63

I'm pipi_k Jul 2013 #69

But you don't know that Martin got violent. He had no DNA, no blood, nothing of Zimmerman on him. Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #95

I wish you'd given that evidence of Trayvon's choices to the prosecution SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #111

agree 1000%. great post. n/t. okieinpain Jul 2013 #131

Trayvon was a teenager and probably reacted the way many guys would as teens yurbud Jul 2013 #174

I agree Marrah_G Jul 2013 #46

Really? That a cop with a KKK hood on shot and killed... Rex Jul 2013 #7

Yeah obxhead Jul 2013 #109

The word think should not be applied to that hyperbolic crap... Pelican Jul 2013 #133

I hope George Zimmerman never has a moment's peace for the rest of his life. Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #3

I feel exactly the same way. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #5

Except swing first Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #8

No evidence of that. uppityperson Jul 2013 #10

No evidence either way. Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #11

True. uppityperson Jul 2013 #12

And yet ornotna Jul 2013 #16

What? heaven05 Jul 2013 #23

I think one has to suspend Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #30

I heaven05 Jul 2013 #31

You're saying common sense has Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #35

nope heaven05 Jul 2013 #49

You seem to kkknow a lot about me Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #52

you're heaven05 Jul 2013 #54

That I'm what? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #56

It is somewhat self-serving to conflate "common sense" and "my opinion" LanternWaste Jul 2013 #150

There shouldn't have been a question who swung first or not, that would have been speculation. lumpy Jul 2013 #85

Well, Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #88

If someone is thrown to the ground/sat upon? The act itself is not an act of agression? lumpy Jul 2013 #93

No. That's not what I'm saying Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #96

as long as we are speculating unapatriciated Jul 2013 #121

I'm trying hard Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #123

Why do you feel my comment requires a smart ass response? unapatriciated Jul 2013 #125

Sorry, Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #127

It might have to do with the failure of the police department unapatriciated Jul 2013 #134

I think most agree Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #136

Please do not assume I think this was a conspiracy between prosecution and the police. unapatriciated Jul 2013 #138

I appreciate the clarification Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #140

Why is it that TM has to leave, why do we not place the burden on WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #119

Zimmerman is not a mastermind Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #122

The judgment of a 17yr old and a 30 something adult are very different. unapatriciated Jul 2013 #126

Please read my response #96 Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #128

For the record, don't buy TM was looking for trouble. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #188

You want evidence that zimmerman was lying brush Jul 2013 #153

You're putting a lot of fact and faith into Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #159

My point is the jury should brush Jul 2013 #164

I feel for you. I really do. Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #167

Don't feel for me. Feel for Trayvon Martin brush Jul 2013 #171

The prosecution failed Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #175

It was an imperfect storm of failures brush Jul 2013 #177

How? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #180

Agreed Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #184

how heaven05 Jul 2013 #21

Jeantel was a witness XemaSab Jul 2013 #26

I'm heaven05 Jul 2013 #28

I'm not on Zimmerman's side in this at all XemaSab Jul 2013 #37

Well,I'm going John2 Jul 2013 #103

You know what, John2 Jul 2013 #137

Jantel wasn't there brush Jul 2013 #154

those heaven05 Jul 2013 #33

Were you there Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #39

never heaven05 Jul 2013 #47

"Never said I was" Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #48

well heaven05 Jul 2013 #53

Oh my god what a fucking stupid statement. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #24

Check out post #38 if you think Martin swung brush Jul 2013 #42

Trayvon did have scratches on his knuckles Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #55

One scratch on a knuckle is what the body had brush Jul 2013 #60

So now you are conceding Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #62

Which does not show: AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #129

Yes, the case did not hinge on the scratch Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #130

38? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #132

Yes. This is a discussion from #42 per 38 Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #139

You know what's got me Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #142

I'll have to review it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #143

No, it was in the trial for sure Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #145

Not conceding anything brush Jul 2013 #155

Please see #142 Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #158

Which bridge Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #161

Take your pick. But the 59th St. one is particullarly appealing brush Jul 2013 #162

You mean the Ed Koch Bridge Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #163

It connects Queens and Manhattan brush Jul 2013 #166

I've lived in the city for 14 years Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #168

A fellow New Yorker. Greetings. nt brush Jul 2013 #169

Indeed Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #170

I believe Trayvon had one tiny scratch on his pinky finger. lumpy Jul 2013 #89

Here is somthing from daily kos Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #92

I heard the autopsy report during the triall that the abrasion on the finger was as I described. lumpy Jul 2013 #94

Great post. Let's see what the zim apologists say about this. nt brush Jul 2013 #156

That was not fully determined to everyones satisfaction. lumpy Jul 2013 #78

That's a fair point Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #80

Perhaps, justice would be the rest of his life being extremely short, ending as Trayvon Martin's... Deuce Jul 2013 #40

So you are advocating murder Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #59

Do you consider Trayvon Martin's death murder? Deuce Jul 2013 #68

Nice try. Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #72

You characterized Tray Martin's death as murder, was he murdered? Deuce Jul 2013 #77

I did not. Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #82

But lets dissolve to the chase Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #83

Exactly what i stated in my original post... Deuce Jul 2013 #87

Then the question is Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #90

From your keyboard... Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #45

he is a sociopath Skittles Jul 2013 #104

because what could possibly go wrong with... 0rganism Jul 2013 #172

Chilling. n/t demmiblue Jul 2013 #4

Too many days in court were spent hashing asjr Jul 2013 #13

Who fixed it and why? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #15

oh please. heaven05 Jul 2013 #19

Are you really that stupid? Zoeisright Jul 2013 #25

Are you really that smart? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #32

Check out post #38 brush Jul 2013 #44

And zimshit should have looked FAR worse for wear...MORE like this: Ecumenist Jul 2013 #17

whoa! heaven05 Jul 2013 #18

wow, just wow. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #29

Brilliant. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #34

Incredible. mzmolly Jul 2013 #36

No need to disparage a cop, but the hoods are perfect Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #43

stupid picture. police didn't shoot him, klansman didn't shoot him, and he wasn't 8 years old. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #51

Analogies and Metaphors. If you don't know what those are a dictonary might help. TalkingDog Jul 2013 #57

i know what analogies and metaphors are, thank you very much. i also know when they're HiPointDem Jul 2013 #64

demagoguery? heaven05 Jul 2013 #65

i'm not a zim apologist at all. i think he's a murderer. i think he targeted martin because martin HiPointDem Jul 2013 #99

That is very powerful! ananda Jul 2013 #70

Who wore a hoodie ? dusty trails Jul 2013 #97

That's just funny right there Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #102

Powerful! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #101

Stark and chilling portrayal of a sinister reality that lurks indepat Jul 2013 #106

Whaddaya know. KKK now allows half-Hispanics to become members Joe Hyperion Jul 2013 #108

intersting heaven05 Jul 2013 #112

A sad companion piece to Rockwell's Ruby Bridges painting. intheflow Jul 2013 #113

A difference worth mentioning is that one painting is fact, and the other is fiction... n/t cigsandcoffee Jul 2013 #144

True. intheflow Jul 2013 #151

whoa - awesome. nt limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #115

Wow. Rec'd n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #141

Bamb in the face uponit7771 Jul 2013 #157

Poignant! arthritisR_US Jul 2013 #182