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254. Okay, you know what? I've heard the meme OVER AND OVER AGAIN how there was NO WAY

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 08:23 PM

Jul 2013

that zimmie was pinning Tray down because his shirt hung out so far from his body. Tray was THIN...SLENDER. Not too long ago, I was less than size 0 due to stage 4 cancer and a horrific NTERNAL infection that resulted in gangrene of my organs. Loose tops hung away from my body when I was standing up and at one point, while at the cancer center in Phoenix, I went to the store, Fry's grocery, which is about .5 mi away. I was wearing , (GASP) a hoodie which had a Kangaroo pocket on it. I placed my purchases in that pockest and it pulled that hoodie AT LEAST 4 inches from my body. I don't buy that crap about how it was impossible for Tray to be any other place EXCEPT on top of fat by zimshit because I know from first hand experience that that is JUST NOT TRUE.

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None. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #1

Didn't Rachael say Zimmerman pushed Trayvon? rainy Jul 2013 #76

Yes she said Trayvon said get off me.... MaeScott Jul 2013 #118

She wasn't there. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #213

So the bullet did not hit Martin? Rex Jul 2013 #203

The OP's implication was with his fists. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #223

No but if Trayvon was shot when his shirt was really loose on his body that implies applegrove Jul 2013 #2

If Trayvon was leaning over Zimmerman, where were Trayvon's hands? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #69

Yup. So many questions. We'll never know applegrove Jul 2013 #72

There were stains on Trayvon's pants knees and Zimmerman's jacket back. ksoze Jul 2013 #94

Have you seen that photo of a dead Trayvon lying on his back in the grass? kaiden Jul 2013 #110

The defense put into evidence photos of the pants wercal Jul 2013 #117

Could the stains also have come if Zimmerman had been standing up JDPriestly Jul 2013 #209

There are a thousand 'what ifs' wercal Jul 2013 #226

The bullet entered Martin's chest on the left side and tracked slightly to the right Lurks Often Jul 2013 #230

Do your research - the evidence pics are clear ksoze Jul 2013 #121

The little cartoon that the defense made showed a very unatural position for trayvon. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #137

Well, they did actually challenge it. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #138

Zimmerman might have been pulling on Trayvon's shirt. yardwork Jul 2013 #81

If there was any evidence of that pintobean Jul 2013 #84

The prosecution didn't present a lot of important evidence. yardwork Jul 2013 #87

What evidence that supported their case pintobean Jul 2013 #97

The racist Sanford PD never COLLECTED evidence from GZ, only TM. LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #107

They most certainly collected evidence from Zimmerman Lurks Often Jul 2013 #143

I wonder if there was any fiber analysis taken on Zimmerman's hands and fingernails. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #145

Agreed, I do remember seeing a photo of Zimmerman's hands Lurks Often Jul 2013 #147

Oh They did? What was GZ blood alcohol content then? The results of GZ's drug tests were *WHAT* now? LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #173

I've given you a link that proves you are wrong Lurks Often Jul 2013 #175

If I'm *WRONG*, what was GZ blood alcohol level the night of the murder? Drugs? LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #187

They never tested Zimmerman for drugs, just the dead body. Rex Jul 2013 #195

You apparently don't seem to understand the legal requirements Lurks Often Jul 2013 #220

Wouldn't the police normally do alcohol and drug tests on a shooter rather than the victim doc03 Jul 2013 #227

No Lurks Often Jul 2013 #232

Maybe like stalking an Innocent teenager and murdering him would be an indication doc03 Jul 2013 #238

You need to research Florida law Lurks Often Jul 2013 #239

The prosecution blew the trial on purpose I think, they were lots of arguments they could doc03 Jul 2013 #240

Or the prosecution had a crappy case where the majority of witness testimony Lurks Often Jul 2013 #241

& guess what? There was NOTHING that indicated drug and/or alcohol use in that dead boy Ecumenist Jul 2013 #258

Toxicology reports are standard procedure in an autopsy. n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #260

AND Alcohol and drug testing is STANDARD after car accidents but NOONE thought it made sense to Ecumenist Jul 2013 #262

Police need probable cause for alcohol & drug testing Lurks Often Jul 2013 #263

Oh, I'm sorry...running off the road is probable cause but shooting and KILLING a 17 yo kid Ecumenist Jul 2013 #264

You certainly appear to be confused Lurks Often Jul 2013 #265

I'm NOT confused considering that this has happened to people I know. They've gotten into Ecumenist Jul 2013 #266

Did the cops force them to take blood tests or merely asked them? Lurks Often Jul 2013 #267

Yeah, sure I'm wrong and I'm lying about the "Probable cause", cuz I just like to lie. Ecumenist Jul 2013 #268

Like you know and where there? Rex Jul 2013 #244

Neither of us were there Lurks Often Jul 2013 #247

What about the prescription drugs he was on? brush Jul 2013 #251

You'll have to take that up with the prosecution, they apparently thought it wasn't relevant. n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #252

You can't convict on what "might have been". GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #93

What happened is that a man shot an unarmed kid yardwork Jul 2013 #96

Unarmed does not mean harmless. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #104

But it could mean that, do you deny that possibility? Rex Jul 2013 #196

Doesn't matter who was the initial agressor. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #235

That is not true at all. Rex Jul 2013 #245

I have been trained in self-defense law. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #249

Here is the Florida law Lurks Often Jul 2013 #250

You know by your opinion, a toddler can be unarmed but not Harmless.....How many Ecumenist Jul 2013 #261

It is disgusting the hero worship some have for Zimmerman. Rex Jul 2013 #198

I must have missed something. Why did his shirt have to be really loose? jobycom Jul 2013 #217

Dr Di Maio testified that the gun was touching the clothing Lurks Often Jul 2013 #234

Okay, you know what? I've heard the meme OVER AND OVER AGAIN how there was NO WAY Ecumenist Jul 2013 #254

You'll have to discuss that with the prosecution Lurks Often Jul 2013 #255

Yeah well,, there alot the prosecution fucked up and it seemed to ALOT of people that they were Ecumenist Jul 2013 #256

Or the prosecution's case was never that strong to begin with, Lurks Often Jul 2013 #259

Is there any evidence that Trayvon hit Zimmerman? Control-Z Jul 2013 #3

Yes. Eyewitness testimony during the trial. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #12

No, there wasn't. nt uppityperson Jul 2013 #18

What do you call John Good? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #22

Good just saw repeated punch like motions towards Zimmermans head... Pelican Jul 2013 #25

Trayvon was defending himself from this monster. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #38

And 2 other witnesses put Zimmy on top doing the punching. uppityperson Jul 2013 #40

Good was the only one that gave compelling testimony... Pelican Jul 2013 #42

Almost everybody here wants to throw that one away. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #48

That does not say who started it. Zimmerman was following Trayvon and Trayvon had to defend himself. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #49

That's exactly the point... Pelican Jul 2013 #61

Do you have any sympathy for Trayvon? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #62

I don't know what happened.... Pelican Jul 2013 #64

"if he started it"? What. The. Fuck. No sympathy for a 17 who got shot dead "if he started it". uppityperson Jul 2013 #66

I'm honest enough to say I don't know what happened during the entire confrontation... Pelican Jul 2013 #68

"If he started it then I don't" was your statement. You have no sympathy "if he started it". uppityperson Jul 2013 #151

You were so close... Pelican Jul 2013 #153

You are not meaning Trayvon "started it" but if he "overreacted", did a "stupid thing" when felt uppityperson Jul 2013 #157

He wasn't carrying a gun BainsBane Jul 2013 #95

Yup. uppityperson Jul 2013 #149

that's exactly how i feel Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #129

IMO, Zimmerman started when he exited his vehicle with a loaded weapon and started following Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #135

Morally or ethically you may think it's wrong... Pelican Jul 2013 #140

The gun doesn't scare me. What scares me is the fact that one person can follow another person Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #146

Zimmerman started this IMO. Trayvon is the one who deserves sympathy. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #164

Trails are supposed to be about facts, not sympathy. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #89

The trial is over BainsBane Jul 2013 #100

I am discussing facts of the trial, not emotions. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #105

That wasn't the question put to you BainsBane Jul 2013 #106

Your excuse that you're not operating from emotion is BS BainsBane Jul 2013 #108

It is after the trial now, do you have sympathy for Trayvon? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #162

There was NO Zimmerman DNA on Trayvon's hands or anywhere on his dead body. kaiden Jul 2013 #111

This never made sense to me... Pelican Jul 2013 #123

Which was explained during the trial Lurks Often Jul 2013 #144

"Compelling testimony" for you maybe. Mora and Mrs Manalo said Z was on top. uppityperson Jul 2013 #55

The prosecution conceded Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #113

Z admits he got on top of TM AFTER the shot. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #114

And you trust Zimmy's word. We understand. You've been VERY clear that you trust Zimmy. uppityperson Jul 2013 #148

It's not a matter of trusting Zimmerman OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #156

Merely pointing out that a witness is confirming Z's account. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #161

IiRC, John Good never said it was towards Zimmerman's head... nenagh Jul 2013 #60

There is a difference between... Pelican Jul 2013 #63

Exactly. And the Defense continued using 'Ground and Pound' all during the trial.... nenagh Jul 2013 #70

The jury was racist BainsBane Jul 2013 #103

That doesn't even make sense.... Pelican Jul 2013 #120

Save it until Zimmerman's next murder trail BainsBane Jul 2013 #26

Your answer does not change the fact that they were prosecution eyewitnesses. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #28

It also doesn't change the fact that most of those saw nothing of the struggle and the one who did uppityperson Jul 2013 #31

So TM was just picking grass from around Z's head? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #35

Trayvon was defending himself from this monster. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #36

Undetermined. 2 witnesses put Zimmy on top, why would Trayvon have been picking grass on the bottom? uppityperson Jul 2013 #39

Z did get on top, after the shot. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #41

The night he was brought in the video looked like he didn't have any... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #47

There wasn't time to falsify the injuries. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #50

You don't get it. He was out for 66 days. That was when it could have been done. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #56

Maybe this will help Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #73

This just backs up my contention that the prosecution was helping the defense... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #74

You're right. I am surprised. wercal Jul 2013 #119

Are you telling me this is the first time you ever heard of corruption? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #154

Stop. Hold one. wercal Jul 2013 #158

LOL! I didn't say public officials.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #168

No you can't just do a take back wercal Jul 2013 #171

I said the cops lied, the DA lied, the whole trial was a sham, there was witness intimidation... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #176

Everyone lied wercal Jul 2013 #184

Because naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #186

You've already been exposed wercal Jul 2013 #188

Z's father was never a judge. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #253

It was to protect the city from the multi-million dollar lawsuit by the Martin family. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #192

That doesn't make any sense naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #201

Uh huh,..and an internal investigation of the police by the police exonerating the police is rare. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #204

That's not the point: naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #205

Raise your hand if you know the city manager personally wercal Jul 2013 #225

On 9/11? Just look at the history.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #229

What witness intimidation? naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #191

Am I the only one with a memory? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #194

I have no recollection of that naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #197

Use "The Google".... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #206

Again naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #207

Do I have to do this all day? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #208

LOL naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #210

What's funny is to see someone believing this whole thing was a search for the truth. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #211

Well, naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #212

You mean my method of having a memory.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #214

Now you are just making stuff up. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #163

You mean about the Sanford Police engaging in Witness Intimidation? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #167

YEP, CLEARLY! I remember that VERY clearly. I just don't believe that it was above board Ecumenist Jul 2013 #257

Except naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #155

"Do you believe there was no fight at all?" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #169

And.. naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #170

I think Zimmerman got out of the truck with his gun after being told not to,... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #179

Ok I believe all that too naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #180

Seriously? I really doubt there was a fight. The sound on the tape could be pleading. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #182

So, naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #183

Forenics. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #174

Stop right there with "Even the prosecution"... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #177

Anything is possible naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #181

That's what the Feds will look for. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #190

Now you are off into conspiracy theory land. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #231

They didn't do it to help him. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #233

I am not going to discuss woo-woo. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #236

Then go research a history you missed on Southern "Justice". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #237

Or that Zimmerman is a killer BainsBane Jul 2013 #46

Eyewitness testimony is very often unreliable Ghost of Tom Joad Jul 2013 #125

That is true. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #128

Most of them saw nothing. Fail. uppityperson Jul 2013 #30

But when you put all the pieces together... GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #34

Selma Mora and Jeannee Manalo said they thought Zimmy was on top, clothing and skin matched Zimmy. uppityperson Jul 2013 #37

Good was watching while on the phone. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #44

He was not on the phone while watching. Good had one foot outside the patio door.. nenagh Jul 2013 #65

Listen to his 911 call. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #172

OK, I missed that... Thanks... I didn't listen to his 911 call.. nenagh Jul 2013 #185

I don't think that Good is a credible witness. yardwork Jul 2013 #82

Eyewitness testimony aside... Pelican Jul 2013 #88

Bullshit. Zimmerman murdered a child. yardwork Jul 2013 #90

A corpse by itself is not evidence... Pelican Jul 2013 #91

You're forgetting the physical evidence that contradicted his version of events. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #134

While that is closer... Pelican Jul 2013 #139

Zimmerman still had to put forth a plausible theory of self-defense. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #141

It would have helped... Pelican Jul 2013 #142

IOW, you throw away any witness that you don't like. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #98

You can throw all the dust in the air but the dead child remains yardwork Jul 2013 #99

They are beyond digusting and a waste of time. Rex Jul 2013 #246

Well if Good is not a credible witness OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #160

Correct. All members of the condo association had a conflict of interest yardwork Jul 2013 #216

... Zimmerman's actions lead directly to Martin's death. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #92

You're telling me they wouldn't lie to protect one of their own? Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #165

Exactly. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #57

People shouldn't play with that trash...they should be shunned alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #86

Give it up Hugabear Jul 2013 #4

+1 BainsBane Jul 2013 #10

The whole case was based on self defense XemaSab Jul 2013 #15

What about Trayvon's right to self defense? TDale313 Jul 2013 #54

No. He was black, remember? Black men never have the right to self defense. They don't even have a Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #130

With bullets. n/t Scootaloo Jul 2013 #5

Yep. The OP is pretty depraved. n/t demmiblue Jul 2013 #9

Yet another victory lap? HappyMe Jul 2013 #6

I don't think it matters anymore snooper2 Jul 2013 #7

Best piece of evidence is this: Galraedia Jul 2013 #8

You should have been the prosecutor BainsBane Jul 2013 #11

You still have a problem with the five eyewitness. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #13

Actually it does fit... Galraedia Jul 2013 #59

wtf is wrong with the jury and prosecution. Whisp Jul 2013 #16

I think the jury made the correct decision... Captain Stern Jul 2013 #77

Of course Trayvon was pursued by Zimmerman yardwork Jul 2013 #85

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #136

+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #166

With a bullet. Rex Jul 2013 #14

�� Whisp Jul 2013 #17

Yes. RobertEarl Jul 2013 #19

he is Dead JI7 Jul 2013 #20

yes there is rufus dog Jul 2013 #21

he did say on the phone that they always get away JI7 Jul 2013 #23

The stupidity burns rufus dog Jul 2013 #27

Of course, the big friggin hole in his chest vs. a few scrapes. Hoyt Jul 2013 #24

No..he just murdered a kid through the heart with a bullet.. HipChick Jul 2013 #29

He's not haunted. Mariana Jul 2013 #43

Zimmerman is a sociopath Skittles Jul 2013 #52

I don't bruise easily. In fights with my most angry brother (who does), this sucked. joshcryer Jul 2013 #32

Hit him with what? A bullet? A cantelope? A bunny? uppityperson Jul 2013 #33

There SHOULD be if his first choice wasn't to murder Trayvon DevonRex Jul 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jul 2013 #51

It is possible that Zimmerman's head was scratched by the METAL sprinkler head... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #53

The Kel-Tec PF9 does not have a strong recoil. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #112

Zimmerman could have been hit by a meteor as well naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #122

Well said wercal Jul 2013 #127

"Zimmerman's head was scratched by the METAL sprinkler head..." wercal Jul 2013 #126

Please reread the text in the comment Tx4obama Jul 2013 #218

I don't see any 'possible' or 'could have' in this statement: wercal Jul 2013 #228

This will be my last post to you. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #58

Even the defense expert, Dr. DiMaio, had to admit that on the stand. [n/t] stranger81 Jul 2013 #71

Yes. The bullet. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #67

YES YES YES Rachael said Zimmerman pushed Trayvon rainy Jul 2013 #75

You can't come to a fist fight with a gun. Loki Jul 2013 #78

If only we could ask Trayvon. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #79

Only from the mouth of Zimmerman chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #80

Your scumbag pal... 99Forever Jul 2013 #83

zimmerman's bullet hit trayvon's heart... spanone Jul 2013 #101

with a bulllet? Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #102

0. Is there any evidence that Zimmerman hit Trayvon? TheLion Jul 2013 #109

Reading the responses to this thread, Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #115

You are strawmaning like crazy, Mojo. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #124

Thank You!!! The verdict was absolutely DEAD WRONG SeaLyons Jul 2013 #152

Geat post. Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #159

........... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #178

Well said Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #132

Thank you for that reasoned and thoughtful post. -nt Bonx Jul 2013 #150

Which is uglier, calling a racist a racist or a racist being racist? Eom uppityperson Jul 2013 #215

IMO actually being racist is uglier. Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #224

A few things that some folks are missing - why civil rights DO count Tx4obama Jul 2013 #222

From what I've heard, the blood loss from the bullet wound would have stopped bruising. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #131

You mean with something besides a bullet? Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #133

I happen to think Zimmy grabbed Trayvon and tried to restrain him - that's what provoked the fight. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #189

I agree naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #193

I do to, since we know he called to someone after the shooting Rex Jul 2013 #199

I don't believe there was a fight... Sancho Jul 2013 #200

you mean besides with that bullet? Beaverhausen Jul 2013 #202

aint that the truth. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2013 #219

Nope. Just that he murdered him. nt jobycom Jul 2013 #221

Unrec. n/t demmiblue Jul 2013 #242

Yes, there was a gunshot wound in Trayvon's dead body. Jamastiene Jul 2013 #243

I believe the fake ass wannabe cop attempted to detain Martin until the cops came TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #248