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8. Having been involved in 4 different end-of-life situations with old people in the past several years
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jul 2013

I think there are two different things going on. Yes, the medical establishment/industry will keep them alive in the spare-no-expense mode for as long as that can go on. Yes, they do that with very clear awareness of the financial benefits to the system of doing that. In other words, the system is being played for profit. But strangely, if you introduce a human dimension, the system will very easily turn around to the other mode, where they will accommodate the other kind of process, of allowing death to happen with the most humane methods of palliative care.

So I have concluded that the system is set up to wring the greatest possible amount of profit from the elderly by doing high-tech and costly treatments for as long as possible. But simultaneously very few of the medical people involved actually want to stop the family from bringing that to an end and allowing nature to take its course. The system wants the money, but the actual humans involved understand the situation and know how to deal with reality and bring the high-tech expensive medical exploitation to a peaceful natural end.

The problem here is that not everybody knows this or has the confidence or ability to clearly express their human wishes. Also, in many cases there is a lot of conflict within families, so that the medical system does not get clear directives from the family. Many people (not just medical people) have an intense fear of death and will do ANYTHING to keep a terminally ill loved one alive, even at the cost of torturing that person at the end of their life. It's not just greed. There a lot of things coming into play.

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Euthanasia [View all] Bonobo Jul 2013 OP
Not at all, not really, since they're only paid Medicare reimbursement Warpy Jul 2013 #1
Interesting thought, but I think it's more likely the church thing. williesgirl Jul 2013 #2
It always seemed that hospice was all about humane end-of-life care. leveymg Jul 2013 #3
Hospice is about providing supportive care when further intervention hedgehog Jul 2013 #7
End of life care is not euthanasia lunatica Jul 2013 #28
I was unaware of that inherent distinction made regarding euthenasia - is there another term for leveymg Jul 2013 #31
The only one I can think of is murder lunatica Jul 2013 #33
Not sure of reason for opposition, but I think Jack Kevorkian was a Saint. Hoyt Jul 2013 #4
I believe if a person is terminal sick, that person should be legally allowed to end his/her life. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #5
There are several problems with end of life situations - hedgehog Jul 2013 #6
when is the end 'THE END". forthemiddle Jul 2013 #36
Having been involved in 4 different end-of-life situations with old people in the past several years enough Jul 2013 #8
Great post. Bonobo Jul 2013 #9
Everyone needs to be aware of Living Wills proReality Jul 2013 #16
And do not forget to add the DNR clause in the Living Will... ReRe Jul 2013 #23
I had a living will with my mother lunatica Jul 2013 #34
I'm reminded of a 'slow code'.. X_Digger Jul 2013 #35
You know, if you want to kill yourself, go ahead and do it duffyduff Jul 2013 #10
Holland. SheilaT Jul 2013 #12
A very dear friend of mine was living in Holland HeiressofBickworth Jul 2013 #17
slippery slope. Voluntary euthanasia is not the same as mandated culling. Sirveri Jul 2013 #13
I don't think so. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #19
The people who are dying of old age now... Blanks Jul 2013 #11
I don't think it is new hfojvt Jul 2013 #18
I'm sorry that your dad's aunt had to suffer. Blanks Jul 2013 #27
Interesting comments here. I have also been involved in 3 end-of-life situations... TreasonousBastard Jul 2013 #14
Not that much. westerebus Jul 2013 #15
Yep. It is mostly the family who can't let go. hunter Jul 2013 #25
Got a living will? westerebus Jul 2013 #30
I don't think so Horse with no Name Jul 2013 #20
I mostly think people just don't know what to do. It's scary and sad and we want it put off. nolabear Jul 2013 #21
Some thoughtful comments here. I myself am conflicted. kag Jul 2013 #22
It's awful. Both my grandmas died of cancer. hunter Jul 2013 #26
Like the drug war, it's probably a veneer of religion-based morality overlaying a cash-based core Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #24
Too much. Oregon is the closest thing we have to civilization in regards to Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #29
Probably 60% Myrina Jul 2013 #32
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