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XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:50 AM Jul 2013

One last thread before I bow out of World War Z [View all]

REASONABLE DOUBT

I think Zimmerman's a coward, a sketchball, and an asshole who really fucked up and killed a kid. His narrative was full of inconsistencies and he should have gone down for murder II, manslaughter, or negligent homicide.

It was a massive failure on the part of the police department. They just took Zimmerman's story at face value. They didn't test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. Evidence was contaminated and destroyed and weeks went by before they talked to crucial witnesses. They didn't take the shooting death of this black kid seriously at all, and the DOJ should investigate them for evidence of racism in the handling of this case.

*HOWEVER*

The prosecution's case was terrible. The lead witness came off as a flake, they couldn't identify who was screaming on the 911 call, and they acknowledged that Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot, among other problems. The only evidence that they presented that it was a fair fight and not a beatdown was eyewitness testimony, which is notoriously unreliable. They failed to present a version of events that explained all the evidence in a cohesive way.

The defense, meanwhile, did present a cohesive narrative. They eviscerated the key witness for the prosecution, and packaged the forensic testimony together in a way that fit Zimmerman's account to the police.

The job of the prosecution was to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense. The defense's job was to leave the door open for an alternative narrative in which Zimmerman was afraid for his life at the moment he pulled the trigger.

Did the prosecution prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was acting in anything other than self defense? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I think it's entirely possible that Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked and was afraid for his life when he pulled that trigger. Zimmerman's a coward and he probably took a few lumps and freaked out. Based on the testimony given in the trial, I think it's likely that Zimmerman was the one who was screaming on the 911 tape. Rachel Jeantel's letter to Mrs. Fulton, her testimony, and her statements after the trial paint a portrait of a kid who was not afraid of a fight. If this is how it went down, it doesn't make Trayvon a bad person or the villain in the situation, it makes him a normal kid. (IMHO, pretending that Trayvon was too good for this sinful earth is just another racist trope, and seeing him as a human being means seeing him in all his complexity: he was looking at colleges, he sent raunchy tweets, he bought candy for his dad's fiance's son, he smoked weed, and he did nothing wrong and did not deserve to die that night.)

I'm disappointed in the verdict, but I don't see how the jury could have found anything different considering the fact that the prosecution's case had giant holes in it. And again, it's not the job of the defense to PROVE anything, just demonstrate that the prosecution's case is flawed.

I'm also disappointed in DU for being so willing to throw away such concepts as "innocent until proven guilty," "burden of proof," "self defense," and "beyond reasonable doubt," just because we "know" that Zimmerman was a racist fucker who set out to kill an innocent black kid.

These legal concepts protect (or should protect) everyone, black and white, male and female. If anything, I think juries don't use these concepts enough and innocent people are victimized by a racist justice system that doesn't give black people any benefit of the doubt, either in life or death.

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Oh? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #1
you know what? Fuck Zimmerman quinnox Jul 2013 #2
Well said! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #3
thanks quinnox Jul 2013 #5
I HEAR YOU Skittles Jul 2013 #11
OP isn't defending zimmerman. Tunkamerica Jul 2013 #16
Unfortunately there's a lot of simplistic thinking on these sorts of issues mythology Jul 2013 #46
KnR, and good luck trying to be reasonable and analytical around here just now. Hekate Jul 2013 #4
Noted... onpatrol98 Jul 2013 #6
Good post... +1 Pelican Jul 2013 #7
The case was much better than it was presented. DevonRex Jul 2013 #8
I think Corey hamstrung them on race. Much like the OJ trial, msanthrope Jul 2013 #30
That's my take on it, too. And the poor dumb RW Floridians DevonRex Jul 2013 #39
Yeah, I'm not a lawyer and I could have assembled a better proscution case. It was Nay Jul 2013 #34
Oh noes u r disappointed in DU...whaaaaaaaaaaaa Rex Jul 2013 #9
Zimmerman will get his mwrguy Jul 2013 #10
My magic 8-ball is saying... hunter Jul 2013 #12
The one thing I will always remember about you BainsBane Jul 2013 #13
Thank you, very much so. uppityperson Jul 2013 #14
The same "moral authority" that allows you pintobean Jul 2013 #17
You can count 85% of this site in on that BainsBane Jul 2013 #18
Lol. 85% pintobean Jul 2013 #19
Okay, so you think the majority of DUers BainsBane Jul 2013 #21
I didn't ask about anything pintobean Jul 2013 #22
Okay, I stand corrected BainsBane Jul 2013 #23
+1 PotatoChip Jul 2013 #27
Well said, I completely agree... Spazito Jul 2013 #28
and English was her third language Ghost of Tom Joad Jul 2013 #35
Not really. Her family spoke a diferent language before. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #37
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #38
I said he was obvious trolling and a jury agreed with me. Rex Jul 2013 #40
Was a post hidden? BainsBane Jul 2013 #41
#9 in this thread. Rex Jul 2013 #42
If my best friend was murdered, this is not how I would be acting during the trial: XemaSab Jul 2013 #43
You aren't her BainsBane Jul 2013 #44
Did I say anything about her that wasn't true? XemaSab Jul 2013 #45
Zimmerman shot an unarmed 17 year old... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #15
How about the racist laws that helped Zman walk, bigots like B37, guns, etc. Hoyt Jul 2013 #20
I believe that your outrage is based on a major misconception on the burden of proof grantcart Jul 2013 #24
You are incorrect on burden of proof Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #25
It is still an affirmative defense. grantcart Jul 2013 #29
Once again, you are wrong Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #32
Your posts on this topic have disappointed me. Marrah_G Jul 2013 #26
That's a thoughtful, articulate and just great post Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #31
Any jury that wasn't predisposed brush Jul 2013 #33
Guess what? Those "legal concepts"? They apply to jurors, as has been posted only about a zillion WinkyDink Jul 2013 #36
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