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BainsBane

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16. Your point about the sentencing for gun crimes in FL

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:24 AM

Jul 2013

as somehow evidence that SYG had nothing to do with Marissa Anderson's case doesn't make sense. Had Zimmerman been convicted, he would have been sentenced under the same laws. He, however, was able to take advantage of the way SYG has reshaped Florida self defense law, while Marissa was not. The law creates a perverse incentive to kill. Marissa's husband lived, so he testified and gave a version of events that conflicted greatly from his initial statement to police. If she had killed him, she might have stood a better chance of invoking SYG because he couldn't give a different version of events. Yet she was in her home, so SYG shouldn't have even been necessary for her to claim self defense without retreat.

SYG laws were written by Alec, the NRA, and campaigns to get them passed were financed by the Koch brothers. You can look in my journal for OPs showing that. They are not laws that any progressive should support.

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Stand your ground. I keep looking at this from a feminist perspective. [View all] Luminous Animal Jul 2013 OP

So, what tactics do you teach your child to use to protect themsleves Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #1

I've gone the NRA way... Malik Agar Jul 2013 #4

WHAT??? rustydog Jul 2013 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author LumosMaxima Jul 2013 #6

If I wait until they put a hand on me, I'm probably fucked. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #35

Most victims know their attackers n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #3

Well over 50% of murder victims are also criminals. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #36

The odds aren't that you will be on top pummeling someone else making them fear for their life. dkf Jul 2013 #5

Guns don't make people safer. Guns make people less safe. Major Nikon Jul 2013 #18

Still, I want the option to be able to save my life if I need to. dkf Jul 2013 #19

What kind of society says I have no option but to be shot by a vigilante asshole for no reason? Major Nikon Jul 2013 #20

There was a reason. Trayvon was beating up Zimmerman. dkf Jul 2013 #21

I'm not going to argue this level of gun proliferate bullshit Major Nikon Jul 2013 #22

What difference does it make if its Z or me? I can't get up, he couldn't get up, we are both dkf Jul 2013 #23

... Major Nikon Jul 2013 #24

Ah a loop of non answers and avoidance of the question. dkf Jul 2013 #25

... Major Nikon Jul 2013 #26

No one should be forced to be a unwilling victim because of Z's actions. ileus Jul 2013 #27

Gun proliferate nonsense Major Nikon Jul 2013 #28

I'm sorry but defacto7 Jul 2013 #7

+1 Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #29

The difference between stand your ground and regular defense law BainsBane Jul 2013 #8

Will people please stop comparing this to the Alexander case! davidn3600 Jul 2013 #9

It certainly does have to do with SYG and defense law BainsBane Jul 2013 #10

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #11

Here are some sources BainsBane Jul 2013 #14

Some stats that say SYG has actually HELPED African-Americans...at least in Florida. davidn3600 Jul 2013 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #13

Why then did the Office for Civil Rights BainsBane Jul 2013 #15

Your point about the sentencing for gun crimes in FL BainsBane Jul 2013 #16

Under the laws, Marissa Alexander was not acting in self-defense davidn3600 Jul 2013 #17

She admits she retreated to safety, got a gun, and then went back to confront her husband hack89 Jul 2013 #33

In Florida blacks in general have a lower conviction rate in SYG cases then whites hack89 Jul 2013 #32

I read that the first shot she fired Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #30

You are misinformed. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #31

No facts allowed! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #34

stand your ground shows dead people generally make bad witnesses Johonny Jul 2013 #37