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Lizzie Poppet

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35. If I wait until they put a hand on me, I'm probably fucked.

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:47 AM

Jul 2013

But obviously, I can't open fire on anyone I suspect of intending me harm... What to do?

The law (in must jurisdictions) attempts to address this problem by stipulating that one must have "reasonable belief" that one is about to be subjected to significant harm before the use of deadly force is permitted. This is a necessarily subjective criterion, and we've seen how the courts can get it very, very wrong. It's a damned difficult situation from an ethical perspective.

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Stand your ground. I keep looking at this from a feminist perspective. [View all] Luminous Animal Jul 2013 OP

So, what tactics do you teach your child to use to protect themsleves Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #1

I've gone the NRA way... Malik Agar Jul 2013 #4

WHAT??? rustydog Jul 2013 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author LumosMaxima Jul 2013 #6

If I wait until they put a hand on me, I'm probably fucked. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #35

Most victims know their attackers n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #3

Well over 50% of murder victims are also criminals. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #36

The odds aren't that you will be on top pummeling someone else making them fear for their life. dkf Jul 2013 #5

Guns don't make people safer. Guns make people less safe. Major Nikon Jul 2013 #18

Still, I want the option to be able to save my life if I need to. dkf Jul 2013 #19

What kind of society says I have no option but to be shot by a vigilante asshole for no reason? Major Nikon Jul 2013 #20

There was a reason. Trayvon was beating up Zimmerman. dkf Jul 2013 #21

I'm not going to argue this level of gun proliferate bullshit Major Nikon Jul 2013 #22

What difference does it make if its Z or me? I can't get up, he couldn't get up, we are both dkf Jul 2013 #23

... Major Nikon Jul 2013 #24

Ah a loop of non answers and avoidance of the question. dkf Jul 2013 #25

... Major Nikon Jul 2013 #26

No one should be forced to be a unwilling victim because of Z's actions. ileus Jul 2013 #27

Gun proliferate nonsense Major Nikon Jul 2013 #28

I'm sorry but defacto7 Jul 2013 #7

+1 Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #29

The difference between stand your ground and regular defense law BainsBane Jul 2013 #8

Will people please stop comparing this to the Alexander case! davidn3600 Jul 2013 #9

It certainly does have to do with SYG and defense law BainsBane Jul 2013 #10

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #11

Here are some sources BainsBane Jul 2013 #14

Some stats that say SYG has actually HELPED African-Americans...at least in Florida. davidn3600 Jul 2013 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #13

Why then did the Office for Civil Rights BainsBane Jul 2013 #15

Your point about the sentencing for gun crimes in FL BainsBane Jul 2013 #16

Under the laws, Marissa Alexander was not acting in self-defense davidn3600 Jul 2013 #17

She admits she retreated to safety, got a gun, and then went back to confront her husband hack89 Jul 2013 #33

In Florida blacks in general have a lower conviction rate in SYG cases then whites hack89 Jul 2013 #32

I read that the first shot she fired Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #30

You are misinformed. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #31

No facts allowed! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #34

stand your ground shows dead people generally make bad witnesses Johonny Jul 2013 #37