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In reply to the discussion: Obama’s Escalating War on Freedom of the Press [View all]Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)37. well there are some real nuts out there who seem to think we do - like this goofy couple:
The NSA's metastasised intelligence-industrial complex is ripe for abuse
Where oversight and accountability have failed, Snowden's leaks have opened up a vital public debate on our rights and privacy
by Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 23 June 2013 13.00 BST
Let's be absolutely clear about the news that the NSA collects massive amounts of information on US citizens from emails, to telephone calls, to videos, under the Prism program and other Fisa court orders: this story has nothing to do with Edward Snowden. As interesting as his flight to Hong Kong might be, the pole-dancing girlfriend, and interviews from undisclosed locations, his fate is just a sideshow to the essential issues of national security versus constitutional guarantees of privacy, which his disclosures have surfaced in sharp relief.
Snowden will be hunted relentlessly and, when finally found, with glee, brought back to the US in handcuffs and severely punished. (If Private Bradley Manning's obscene conditions while incarcerated are any indication, it won't be pleasant for Snowden either, even while awaiting trial.) Snowden has already been the object of scorn and derision from the Washington establishment and mainstream media, but, once again, the focus is misplaced on the transiently shiny object. The relevant issue should be: what exactly is the US government doing in the people's name to "keep us safe" from terrorists?
We are now dealing with a vast intelligence-industrial complex that is largely unaccountable to its citizens. This alarming, unchecked growth of the intelligence sector and the increasingly heavy reliance on subcontractors to carry out core intelligence tasks now estimated to account for approximately 60% of the intelligence budget have intensified since the 9/11 attacks and what was, arguably, our regrettable over-reaction to them.
Today, the intelligence sector is so immense that no one person can manage, or even comprehend, its reach. When an operation in the field goes south, who would we prefer to try and correct the damage: a government employee whose loyalty belongs to his country (despite a modest salary), or the subcontractor who wants to ensure that his much fatter paycheck keeps coming? - Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/23/nsa-intelligence-industrial-complex-abuse
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What compels this President to prosecute more reporters than all other modern Presidents combined?
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2013
#25
Perhaps you can furnish us with the graph of press prosecutions/year. I like graphs. eom
Blanks
Jul 2013
#17
We aren't talking past each other. You simply refuse to address the Branzburg
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#108
If you don't reargue the decision, you never get it overturned. So yeah..you start with Branzenburg
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#112
No. I believe he was too accommodating to the Racists AFTER the verdict was handed down
bvar22
Jul 2013
#97
I'm waiting for all the 'civil libertarians' to explain to me why a reporter
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#10
The Presidential Time Machine has been busy. After going back to Hawaii in 1961 to plant
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#13
I'm reading this like reporters have immunity to the laws everyone else has to hold to.
Whisp
Jul 2013
#16
Risen is claiming that he should not have to testify in a criminal proceeding.
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#21
it is moving to see a Democratic Administration taking the lead in expanding the surveillance state
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#19
From 1972? The SCOTUS ruled in 1972 that a reporter could not evade a criminal subpoena.
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#22
amen! as long as we can keep prosecuting more and more people under the espenonage act
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#26
as long as we are increasing the crackdown we have reason to celebrate
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#31
well there are some real nuts out there who seem to think we do - like this goofy couple:
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#37
as long as they are vigilant in cracking down on leaks of all sorts using whatever mechanisms they
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#34
you're right! It's nobodies business excepts the governments and they know what's best
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#43
I'm sure the Iranians were shocked to learn that the U.S. is trying to keep them from getting
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#48
there is a difference between protecting the sources of journalist - and agreeing with the actions
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#61
if the accused asks the journalist who they revealed informaiton to to come forward - that would be
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#73
After seeing all the hate vented against our remaining Constitutional rights,
Waiting For Everyman
Jul 2013
#45
no, I think they are authoritarianisms useful dingbats for free - out of blind partisanship
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#47
if they can go after journalists and medical marijuana patients why can't they go after
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#106
Any Democrat that approves of the Administration's spying and further disrespect of the constitution
AZ Progressive
Jul 2013
#110