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grantcart

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29. It is still an affirmative defense.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 12:04 PM
Jul 2013

The defense has to establish that Zimmerman's actions were in self defense. Since Zimmerman did not take the stand the only evidence directly related to it were his various statements not taken under oath that were both self serving and in some cases strained credulity.

As to burden of proof I googled a single state IL and found this reference:



Thus, the state has the burden of showing beyond reasonable doubt (BRD) that (i) the elements of first degree murder are present, and (ii) that defendant's use of deadly force was not supportable by an objectively reasonable fear of serious bodily harm. If the state fails to do (ii), the defendant cannot be convicted of either first or second degree murder.

If the state succeeds in showing (ii) when self-defense has been raised, the defendant may then negate first degree murder (but not second-degree murder) by showing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that he a subjectively genuine (but not objectively reasonable) fear of serious bodily harm (this is also known as "imperfect self-defense&quot .

The defendant has the burden of production as to self-defense. That is, the prosecution does not need to negate it if it is not raised and supported by an appropriate quantum of evidence. What is that quantum? Well, it must be enough that, standing alone and before any rebuttal, raises at least a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not lawfully permitted to use deadly force in self-defense.

This evidentiary basis could be the defendant's testimony or other evidence. If the prosecution enters into evidence the video recording of the claimant's Mirandized police interrogation, and that video shows the defendant alleging self-defense, that could raise reasonable doubt without requiring the defendant to take the stand. If the prosecution only enters part of the recording, omitting the parts about self-defense, the defense may have it entered under F.R.E. 106 (or its state court analogue) ("If a party introduces all or part of a writing or recorded statement, an adverse party may require the introduction, at that time, of any other part — or any other writing or recorded statement — that in fairness ought to be considered at the same time&quot , without requiring the defendant to take the stand.



But even in a state with a low bar for self defense the defense still needs to assert that it was self defense and in this case there is a reasonable conclusion that Mr. Martin was the one acting in self defense and Zimmerman was the aggressor and made a fatal shot when he lost his advantage.

In any case I am not saying that the jury was in error but taking exception to the absolutist tone of the OP which is based on a misperception of the prosecutions' burden and comes to a conclusion that



Did the prosecution prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was acting in anything other than self defense? ABSOLUTELY NOT.



Was Zimmerman acting in self defense when he got out of the car?

And in each step he took towards Zimmerman was he acting in self defense?

The OP presents the case like it was an open and shut case for not guilty, which of course it was not.

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Oh? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #1
you know what? Fuck Zimmerman quinnox Jul 2013 #2
Well said! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #3
thanks quinnox Jul 2013 #5
I HEAR YOU Skittles Jul 2013 #11
OP isn't defending zimmerman. Tunkamerica Jul 2013 #16
Unfortunately there's a lot of simplistic thinking on these sorts of issues mythology Jul 2013 #46
KnR, and good luck trying to be reasonable and analytical around here just now. Hekate Jul 2013 #4
Noted... onpatrol98 Jul 2013 #6
Good post... +1 Pelican Jul 2013 #7
The case was much better than it was presented. DevonRex Jul 2013 #8
I think Corey hamstrung them on race. Much like the OJ trial, msanthrope Jul 2013 #30
That's my take on it, too. And the poor dumb RW Floridians DevonRex Jul 2013 #39
Yeah, I'm not a lawyer and I could have assembled a better proscution case. It was Nay Jul 2013 #34
Oh noes u r disappointed in DU...whaaaaaaaaaaaa Rex Jul 2013 #9
Zimmerman will get his mwrguy Jul 2013 #10
My magic 8-ball is saying... hunter Jul 2013 #12
The one thing I will always remember about you BainsBane Jul 2013 #13
Thank you, very much so. uppityperson Jul 2013 #14
The same "moral authority" that allows you pintobean Jul 2013 #17
You can count 85% of this site in on that BainsBane Jul 2013 #18
Lol. 85% pintobean Jul 2013 #19
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I didn't ask about anything pintobean Jul 2013 #22
Okay, I stand corrected BainsBane Jul 2013 #23
+1 PotatoChip Jul 2013 #27
Well said, I completely agree... Spazito Jul 2013 #28
and English was her third language Ghost of Tom Joad Jul 2013 #35
Not really. Her family spoke a diferent language before. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #37
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #38
I said he was obvious trolling and a jury agreed with me. Rex Jul 2013 #40
Was a post hidden? BainsBane Jul 2013 #41
#9 in this thread. Rex Jul 2013 #42
If my best friend was murdered, this is not how I would be acting during the trial: XemaSab Jul 2013 #43
You aren't her BainsBane Jul 2013 #44
Did I say anything about her that wasn't true? XemaSab Jul 2013 #45
Zimmerman shot an unarmed 17 year old... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #15
How about the racist laws that helped Zman walk, bigots like B37, guns, etc. Hoyt Jul 2013 #20
I believe that your outrage is based on a major misconception on the burden of proof grantcart Jul 2013 #24
You are incorrect on burden of proof Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #25
It is still an affirmative defense. grantcart Jul 2013 #29
Once again, you are wrong Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #32
Your posts on this topic have disappointed me. Marrah_G Jul 2013 #26
That's a thoughtful, articulate and just great post Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #31
Any jury that wasn't predisposed brush Jul 2013 #33
Guess what? Those "legal concepts"? They apply to jurors, as has been posted only about a zillion WinkyDink Jul 2013 #36
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