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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
24. Since no one thinks NSA is collecting "open, public information?"
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jul 2013

For Pete's sake, if that were true, we wouldn't need the Patriot Act and secret FISA rulings to support it. By the way, if you think people's e-mail and phone records are "open, public information," try calling up a service provider and getting it for yourself.

Moreover, metadata is hardly all the NSA is doing. Even the rubber-stamping, Bush-administration packed FISA court has already found the NSA law under which it runs PRISM was being used unconstitutionally as late as 2011. Of course, the government has argued no one can see the ruling, so we don't know how it was violating the Constitution, or what it's done to fix it.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/public-first-secret-court-grants-eff-motion-consenting-disclosure



Government Says Secret Court Opinion on Law Underlying PRISM Program Needs to Stay Secret

In a rare public filing in the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), the Justice Department today urged continued secrecy for a 2011 FISC opinion that found the National Security Agency's surveillance under the FISA Amendments Act to be unconstitutional. Significantly, the surveillance at issue was carried out under the same controversial legal authority that underlies the NSA’s recently-revealed PRISM program.

EFF filed a suit under the Freedom of Information Act in August 2012, seeking disclosure of the FISC ruling. Sens. Ron Wyden and Mark Udall revealed the existence of the opinion, which found that collection activities under FISA Section 702 "circumvented the spirit of the law” and violated the Fourth Amendment's prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures. But, at the time, the Senators were not permitted to discuss the details publicly. Section 702 has taken on new importance this week, as it appears to form the basis for the extensive PRISM surveillance program reported recently in the Guardian and the Washington Post.



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Silly question about Nsa spying [View all] GlashFordan Jul 2013 OP
$$$$$$$$ orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #1
Maybe Snowden can send us GlashFordan Jul 2013 #2
I trust him more than them . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #4
You don't know 'them' or Snowden so why would you trust either? randome Jul 2013 #9
Excellent point. Andy823 Jul 2013 #14
Do you trust ? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #16
Agendas, They want to exclude me, He wants to enlighten me . n/t orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #15
no serious person has claimed lapfog_1 Jul 2013 #3
Because a lot of disinformation is being spread. jazzimov Jul 2013 #5
It "proves" no such thing. You're just throwing out a #10 PSPS Jul 2013 #7
You know, your list is designed to shut down conversation. randome Jul 2013 #10
No, the false arguments listed are designed for that. DirkGently Jul 2013 #17
What a terrible list intaglio Jul 2013 #11
Assuming the NSA stopped breaking the laws it broke DirkGently Jul 2013 #18
When did examining open, public information become illegal? intaglio Jul 2013 #23
Since no one thinks NSA is collecting "open, public information?" DirkGently Jul 2013 #24
So those arguments are wrong because you say so? nt treestar Jul 2013 #12
Nice list. 99Forever Jul 2013 #20
Because it isn't intended to be used that way PSPS Jul 2013 #6
Bingo! Th1onein Jul 2013 #22
Most of the earth is not in a satellite camera's field of view most of the time FarCenter Jul 2013 #8
Not only is it expensive, it's almost impossible to do jmowreader Jul 2013 #21
For a criminal trial, they'd need a regular warrant from a court treestar Jul 2013 #13
Probably because few people had any idea what NSA was doing. moondust Jul 2013 #19
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