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hack89

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44. No - not in the US legal system

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:30 PM

Jul 2013

if someone steals my car and runs you over, I am not responsible. If I can show I meet all legal storage requirements, I am not responsible for anything a criminal does if he steals my guns.

Confirming serial numbers is easy. You go to the manufacturer. He tells you - "yes, that is a valid serial number. We sold it to this dealer." You go to that dealer. He tells you "yes, we sold that gun to person x." There is a direct path from the manufacturer to me for every one of my guns. Here's a clue for you - insurance companies have been insuring guns for a very long time without a registry. It doesn't appear to be a problem.

Right now you cannot arrest me for selling guns to felons - by law I am barred from conducting background checks therefore I have no way of knowing. Now if I could ask the buyer for a valid firearms ID card ...

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"Chunks of metal" Orrex Jul 2013 #39

So my guns are stolen and the thief kills someone. hack89 Jul 2013 #40

If the gun is registered to you, then you are responsible for it, aren't you now? Orrex Jul 2013 #41

No - not in the US legal system hack89 Jul 2013 #44

I never understood Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #48

Do retailers maintain records of who purchases which guns? For how long? Orrex Jul 2013 #49

Ok. Lets see what happens hack89 Jul 2013 #50

Of course they won't while the Conservative Party maintains a majority Orrex Jul 2013 #53

Makes you wonder why there isn't a political counterweight to the NRA hack89 Jul 2013 #54

A multi-billion dollar, centuries-old industry has a lot of firepower Orrex Jul 2013 #55

Could be hack89 Jul 2013 #58

The NRA is the propaganda wing of the gun industry Orrex Jul 2013 #64

Gun dealers must retain records for 20 years minimum n/t Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #51

Is this accessible in any reasonable way? Orrex Jul 2013 #52

What typically happens Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #56

Great info--thanks Orrex Jul 2013 #60

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What would gun registration accomplish? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #62

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Interesting--wasn't aware of that. Orrex Jul 2013 #31

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Which I support. hack89 Jul 2013 #21

So what are you doing to get them passed at the federal level? BainsBane Jul 2013 #24

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