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57. That is a fair question

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:39 PM

Jul 2013

My definition of left.. is the ability to use government to promote the general welfare for everyone.. the left or old line liberals like me.. do not fear goverment .. we see it as something we are all a part of.. and can impact.. its a tool that can be used to better life for all of us.. we are in this together

The right.. detests goverment.. and believes in the power of the individual.. even if that individual takes away rights from the general populace.. they detest goverment..and see it as limiting the ability of the individual to master the world.. (that is why libertarians who share a lot of that.. so often vote republican)

Glen fears goverment not so much in a republican sense.. but more of a libertarian sense.. he sees goverment and black helicopters in everything..

There is a place for all of us at the table.. the extremes.. even have a place.. they are canaries in the mine shaft warning of possible dangers ahead..

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Proud Member Of "The Glenn Greenwald Left" Here. [View all] sabrina 1 Jul 2013 OP

Nice post, Alex Jones! whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #1

Lol, it's amazing how much some people know about this guy. I think the last time I sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #13

DU is awash in accusations of Ron/Rand Paul and Alex Jones love whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #20

I know. I'm trying to figure out what all this is supposed to accomplish. Eg, am I supposed sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #28

It is trying to accomplish fear zeemike Jul 2013 #42

Well, it's clearly not working. I hope no one is paying for this as it would be a huge waste of sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #44

They have the effect of making life-long democrats want to run screaming from the party whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #49

Since you mention it, I've wondered for a while now if that really is the goal, because you are sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #51

May be the goal of some here, but many are just blind partisans whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #59

Poison to Democracy Aerows Jul 2013 #60

+100 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #107

"Either way it's poison to democracy" bvar22 Jul 2013 #147

'Poison to Democracy'. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #162

I think you're on to something. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #78

"There's going to be a big battle in the 2016 primaries." I wish. Problem is that rhett o rick Jul 2013 #144

I have heard some talk about Martin O'Malley running Vattel Jul 2013 #200

The Return of the "Reagan Democrats". bvar22 Jul 2013 #148

They're trashing Elizabeth Warren now. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #179

I just read in the paper tblue Jul 2013 #126

The Youth are not dumb. bvar22 Jul 2013 #149

Right!. Cos everyone down ticket runs on same platform!...woo.fuckn.hoo! Nt pkdu Jul 2013 #229

+1 - eom dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #154

yep . . . n/t annabanana Jul 2013 #267

K&R Progressive dog Jul 2013 #269

Count me in. The propaganda to smear the left is in overdrive. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #2

Because the Left is always right. And in an atmosphere of lies and deceptions, the left always sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #8

The Left is always put on the defensive. tblue Jul 2013 #129

And that needs to change. The Left should never try to defend itself agaiinst the inane attacks sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #216

Proud member of the left here. LWolf Jul 2013 #3

+10000 YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #4

I agree, but it wasn't MY idea, I'm just running with the latest attack on the 'left'. Call it using sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #6

Let's take the bull by the horns LWolf Jul 2013 #7

Sure, but to most intelligent minds that isn't even an issue. I learned to fight fire with fire sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #10

I think we need a whole lot more fire. LWolf Jul 2013 #12

Lol, that's a cute little guy! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #16

Right There With Ya !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #5

I stand with Glenn Greenwald! Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #9

Yep. there seems to be a third way design Cleita Jul 2013 #11

Greenwald is trying to get at the truth? By posting inaccurate information regarding data-mining KittyWampus Jul 2013 #17

What? Cleita Jul 2013 #24

If the information is old then Snowden is not a traitor right? Pablo Guachupita Jul 2013 #215

He's a traitor for releasing old information that we all already knew, and which also isn't true. Marr Jul 2013 #241

Why do you list conservatives as part of the Anti-Greenwald Left? shawn703 Jul 2013 #14

You want a list of Democrats FOR Civil Liberties? I can provide that too for you. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #19

I think you're missing what I'm getting at shawn703 Jul 2013 #118

Okay, my mistake. And the Greenwald Left is not my label. That came from the latest attack sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #159

Not all of them are lefties lark Jul 2013 #30

True shawn703 Jul 2013 #124

I think from this comment, that you misunderstood the OP. I was pointing out who is ANTI- Left sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #242

In "Centrist," I hear, "No Changes in our Personal Power vs the Transnational Corporations" HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #239

That was my question as well ... Myrina Jul 2013 #34

Ah, so you practice guilt by association. That's TOTALLY a mark of Progressive Democrats. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #15

This from someone whose posts seem to point Cleita Jul 2013 #21

Excuse me? I'm pretty far left but I'm not an ideologue and I"m not prone to ratfucking. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #25

Social Security DID cover everyone. zeemike Jul 2013 #46

No, it originally did not. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #163

It covered everyone who paid into the system zeemike Jul 2013 #183

You are wrong - emulatorloo Jul 2013 #210

Are you saying that they payed into the system but could not collect? zeemike Jul 2013 #213

your support of right-wing policy would indicate that you are pretty far from far left frylock Jul 2013 #116

Or far from planet reality Aerows Jul 2013 #136

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ bvar22 Jul 2013 #155

no, I am fairly close to being a socialist. But I understand politics means cutting deals. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #161

i am a socialist, and cutting deals and capitulation have two entirely different defintions.. frylock Jul 2013 #164

Where have I EVER defended "untettered surveillance"? That is the whole point. I do not. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #170

"perpetually outraged" Aerows Jul 2013 #187

Yes, it reminds of Rush frankly, whose constant attacks on 'lieberals' include that phrase sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #249

We understand that too, that politics is about cutting deals. And usually you want YOUR side sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #184

So you want to end poverty but just not in a hurry? And those in a hurry are ideologues? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #208

Your post #15 shows you are most definitely not "pretty far left". cui bono Jul 2013 #243

So what do you think then, of OPs that trash the 'left' by compairing them to say, Alex Jones? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #23

That OP compared the reactions/methods of conspiracy theorists on both sides of political spectrum. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #26

THAT OP was exactly what you described, an attempt at 'guilt by association'. This one was to point sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #31

And it's telling that when Libertarian trolls post here, their screeds get recommended by some. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #18

And after that.... zappaman Jul 2013 #37

+1. Birds of a feather, you know the rest...nt Zorra Jul 2013 #22

this is worth listening to if only for the first 5 min. to hear Jeremy Scahill's introduction of Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #27

Thanks, I'm part of the Jeremy Scahill left also. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #33

Thanks for posting that... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #90

Wow! Fantastic find, Douglas Carpenter! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #130

Clearly, anyone who is a keynote speaker at the Socialism 2013 Conference Maedhros Jul 2013 #209

Transcript of Glenn Greenwald's address to the Socialism 2013 Conference. Maedhros Jul 2013 #211

I wouldn't say I stand with Greenwald but I stand with anyone who tries to ferret out corruption byeya Jul 2013 #29

Proud member of the anti-Iraq war, anti-Citizens United, anti Ron and Rand Paul left ProSense Jul 2013 #32

Hear! Hear! Skidmore Jul 2013 #53

Btw, it was not I who called Glenn Greenwald 'left'. Did you go into that thread sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #104

You are a leftist? AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #300

This message was self-deleted by its author grantcart Jul 2013 #35

Bump! grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #36

Me too. I'm almost surprised by how stupid the opposition is stupidicus Jul 2013 #38

I don't think they are nincampoops or gullible. Some imo, are just weak and don't want to lose sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #43

A Job Is A Terrible Thing To Lose otohara Jul 2013 #73

yep stupidicus Jul 2013 #74

Good post, but I'm inclined to disagree regarding the age demographics of the 'gullible' over sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #77

a "baby bulge of political cultishness," p'raps? MisterP Jul 2013 #190

Yes, I think maybe you got that right. The young certainly do seem to get it, maybe because sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #244

I'd agree with that stupidicus Jul 2013 #224

I could not agree more with your last sentence, having spent my early online years mostly on sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #228

you struck a chord as well Sabrina stupidicus Jul 2013 #236

When people join the side of fascism kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #132

lol stupidicus Jul 2013 #217

lol, well here is Glenn in his own words grantcart Jul 2013 #39

I had responded to your original comment but it was deleted when I posted. So here it is again: sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #41

Sorry for the deletion, I thought I had double posted. grantcart Jul 2013 #115

Why did you say this? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #185

So..your problem with GG is that he didn't learn from life experience... KoKo Jul 2013 #58

I don't have a problem with GG grantcart Jul 2013 #123

Where did I say GG was a Hero? KoKo Jul 2013 #151

The intensity of emotion re Greenwald is coming from elsewhere. It isn't coming from the Left. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #178

Your knowledge of Greenwald's positions is poor. Maedhros Jul 2013 #214

Wow, thank you. That sounds more like a Liberal to me than many claiming the liberal label. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #251

It's from a page Glenn set up to counter the many misleading labels that he gets tagged with. Maedhros Jul 2013 #253

You are correct in that my understanding of Greenwald's position is not well informed. grantcart Jul 2013 #268

My advice would be to become informed about Greenwald's positions Maedhros Jul 2013 #274

Now you are being foolish. grantcart Jul 2013 #277

You stated up front that you are uninformed about Greenwald's positions. Maedhros Jul 2013 #286

"All material published by Assange and Greenwald would have been published elsewhere by others" delrem Jul 2013 #223

In contrast to some persons with the big (D), he never voted for the Iraq War Resolution. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #81

lol he supported it but no he was not a Congressperson at the time. grantcart Jul 2013 #125

Exactly. Those who would condemn him but not the Senators are hypocrites. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #137

No they would only be hypocrites if the lifted them up as heroes as the OP does. grantcart Jul 2013 #141

You want to know what I think? Really? I value truth. The OP did not say or imply he is a "hero." AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #152

So you don't think that an OP that is titled: Proud Member Of "The Glenn Greenwald Left" Here grantcart Jul 2013 #275

Nope. And no matter how long you make your post, it doesn't make your assertion true. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #278

And no matter how short you make your post it doesn't make the your avoidance of grantcart Jul 2013 #279

Your issue was whether he was a "hero". Now you are changing the subject again. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #280

well done grantcart flamingdem Jul 2013 #281

The "War on Terror" hoodwinked a lot of people ... HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #247

Hillary Clinton supported it and still does. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #156

"I admire him for being open to the fact that he was wrong." Enthusiast Jul 2013 #263

And yet you were a very serious supporter of Chuck 'Republicans Who Voted For War' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #95

I was not a 'serious supporter' of Hagel and unlike the OP don't put myself grantcart Jul 2013 #109

First, this OP was merely a response to an attack on the LEFT, using Greenwald as a tactic to do so. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #191

"this OP was merely a response" grantcart Jul 2013 #284

He hates US fed govt wealth distribution so much that he won't even pay taxes into it. great white snark Jul 2013 #98

I don't think this is a fair statement. grantcart Jul 2013 #128

Ditto. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #40

Glenn Greenwald is not left.. Peacetrain Jul 2013 #45

Well, that wasn't MY phrase. I was merely responding to yet another assault on the 'left'. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #48

That is a fair question Peacetrain Jul 2013 #57

Greenwald opposes all cuts to SS, Medicare & Medicaid, supports public financing of elections Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #134

Thanks for your response. Re Republicans hating Government though, I'm not sure that is true. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #201

K&R I'm for civil liberties, period. forestpath Jul 2013 #47

K&R +1 woot nt. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #50

Proud member of the left Whisp Jul 2013 #52

Fuck Republicans in a Democratic Admiistration's Cabinet. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #54

Exactly whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #66

Purist babble. FDR had Republicans in his cabinet. great white snark Jul 2013 #91

I love that word 'purist'. Lol! An old Third Way piece of propaganda against the Left that is pulled sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #94

1) They were not the same type of Republicans. 2) Lincoln did not appoint Confederates to his Admin. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #282

You must be committed to the woo Aerows Jul 2013 #55

Ssshhhh! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #67

we must keep kicking and recommending this till it gets to the front page Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #56

Well, I stand with protecting our Civil Liberties as I always have. And lately the attacks on the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #62

I'm a proud member of the "Don't spy on me, asshole" Left. klook Jul 2013 #61

Couldn't agree more. I'm merely using their own choice of target to respond to the attacks on the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #63

I have noticed G_j Jul 2013 #64

Same here..it was another eye-opener. KoKo Jul 2013 #65

Yes, many people have noticed that. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #69

the politicians and commentators I have always respected most are likewise supportive carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #70

Yes, I was going to make a list, which thankfully is very long, of all the Democrats who sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #101

real journalist real journalist - not the caviar correspondents of Washington and New York Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #75

I'm a member of stop the fucking bush policies left. Autumn Jul 2013 #68

Me too. The OP is merely a response to the latest attack on the Left right here on DU whereby sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #72

They can say whatever they want. I know where I stand Autumn Jul 2013 #112

Kicked and Recommended MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #71

We've arrived at the fork in the road, the dissonance is deafening, this derivation of Democrats. BornLooser Jul 2013 #76

I agree with you. This was not my phrase, just responding to the latest attack on the Left wherein sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #82

I should have prefaced my opinion by stating that it was not directed at you, sabrina 1. BornLooser Jul 2013 #85

Thank you, I didn't take it personally, just wanted to explain the OP for those who didn't sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #89

Snowden notwithstanding DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #79

He supported the ACLU's stand on Citizens United. Have you read their reasons for sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #86

and yeah yeah unions too DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #167

Can you please post what GG said? I have read the ACLU's position on Citizen's United, but not sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #168

read the bloody salon article DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #169

Okay, if you can't have a civil discussion, let's leave it at that. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #188

Never mind, thanks to Luminous Animal I see why you didn't want to enter into a discussion about sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #189

did that stop him from DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #207

I highlighted a few quotes in post #181. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #186

Really. He said it didn't matter? Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #181

Your claims of righteousness remind me of the Bod Dylan song intaglio Jul 2013 #80

What do you mean by 'righteousness'? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #84

Quoted from the OP intaglio Jul 2013 #96

And?? Are you saying there is no right and no wrong? I asked you a question regarding sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #99

And I have provided the reason why I used the term "righteousness" intaglio Jul 2013 #102

Dylan and I are on the same page on issues like this. So thanks for the reminder. But again, sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #105

Because you are applying a faulty litmus test emulatorloo Jul 2013 #212

No, that is YOUR claim. I am responding to what was pure flamebait today, yet another attack sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #232

The thread that prompted this one was a dumbass opinion piece from The Daily Banter emulatorloo Jul 2013 #238

Yes, flamebait should sink, but that is why it is called 'flamebait', because good people feel sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #240

There is no "right" or "wrong". jazzimov Jul 2013 #83

When it comes to people's Civil Rights, there are no shades of grey. But that's just my opinion. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #92

They're called Libertarians. Not Democrats. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #87

Who are 'called Libertarians'? I am a Democrat, just fyi, and always have been. As sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #100

Snowden, Greenwald, and their ilk are Libertarians. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #219

Really? That's quite a charge re Greenwald. Do you have something to back it up? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #221

So, we have to oppose whatever Libertarians are for ... HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #258

Greenwald is an excellent journalist, and always has been. closeupready Jul 2013 #88

Try being a Democrat instead of governing from the sidelines. great white snark Jul 2013 #93

You know, you just called me a liar. I would like an apology as I do not engage in sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #97

Enthusiastic K&R! I'm a big fan of Greenwald and his work quinnox Jul 2013 #103

You and a whole lot of other Americans. You have to wonder why anyone would not be when sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #106

But..but..he's not a loyal Democrat who rubberstamps Republican policies the boss likes them. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #108

Good job sabrina 1! K&R nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #110

Well of course! Right there with you. MuseRider Jul 2013 #111

This conversation is founded in the psychological need to categorize oneself. Billy Pilgrim Jul 2013 #113

du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #114

Greenwald is not the left. ProSense Jul 2013 #117

Greenwald: To apply "right-wing libertarian" label to someone with those views...is patently idiotic Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #142

Another ProSense Jul 2013 #143

Merely because YOU say that he supports the Paul's has never made it so. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #145

I wonder how many conservative think tank hours NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #204

The ACLU agrees with him on this from a legal standpoint. Do you oppose the ACLU also? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #157

Do you agree with Citizens United? ProSense Jul 2013 #165

But, you CAN'T disagree with the ACLU on anything, otherwise you might be a sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #173

Nonsense. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #174

Of course it' nonsense, that's what I SAID. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #176

You forgot from the "Anti-Greenwald Left" list ... meegbear Jul 2013 #119

count me out... madrchsod Jul 2013 #120

Sorry, kiddo, but Binaries are a thing of the past. B Stieg Jul 2013 #121

You haven't been reading the attacks on the Left here if you think 'binaries are a thing of the past sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #198

And look at from whence they come... B Stieg Jul 2013 #245

I can fry big fish and take care of the little ones at the same time. I am an amazing multi-tasker. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #248

Seriously? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #266

Thank you!! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #316

You're welcome!! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #319

You only need one of those if you haven't had enough exercise. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #320

Kick. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #122

Proud member of "The Glenn Greenwald Left" checking in n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #127

Proud to be the 101st rec. nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #131

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #133

K&R hay rick Jul 2013 #135

I don't like to put myself in categories tblue Jul 2013 #138

Hi tblue, adore you too. The OP is actually kind of silly, but then I was responding to some sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #166

Great OP sabrina 1, but I have to say NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #205

I think people are, it's been going on for quite a while on Democratic blogs and people are not sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #252

Greenwald can be right or wrong. The attacks, however, are largely dishonest. DirkGently Jul 2013 #139

Great post. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #146

Excellent Post, DirkGently. bvar22 Jul 2013 #153

Awesome post. Autumn Jul 2013 #158

Excellent post. woo me with science Jul 2013 #160

THIS truly deserves its own OP. Excellent, excellent comment! I have nothing to add, and if you know sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #182

It's cognitive dissonance, DirkGently. Maedhros Jul 2013 #218

Maedhros, you make an interesting point also.. KoKo Jul 2013 #273

Excellent read, DG... ! KoKo Jul 2013 #220

I quit reading Salon when he was the only writer they didn't lose Kolesar Jul 2013 #226

I stand with Glenn, on the Left! MNBrewer Jul 2013 #140

Deng and Mao had a conversation that applies here. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #150

Excellent post, thank you for posting in my thread, it deserves its own thread. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #171

Dude you are sick, check out the Ed Show and get your mind straight. BrainMann1 Jul 2013 #172

Lol, thanks for the compliment! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #175

I'm a member of the Clark Griswold left, myself. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #177

I adore Clark Griswold! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #180

Angry? kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #192

Lol, I know, I agree! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #194

K&R for Civil Liberties!! Thank you Sabrina1 ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #193

Better Believe It!!...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #195

He sure made an impression on you! Lol! You Better Believe It! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #196

What can I say. You remind me of him/her...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #197

Thanks, I'm not sure if that was meant as a compliment or an insult, but you would never, ever sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #199

I saw the original flamebait thread you're responding to Oilwellian Jul 2013 #202

Lol, I know, I decided to use their own labels to respond. And now I am a fan girl of GG or sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #203

ditto. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #206

Add me to it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #222

Dick Cheney loves to attack the left as do JEB Jul 2013 #225

Exactly! Thanks. 20score Jul 2013 #227

I'm with you, sabrina 1! snot Jul 2013 #230

Greenwald is a libertarian, not a leftist. He's a tool of the Cato Institute pnwmom Jul 2013 #231

Some people think if they repeat a lie often enough it becomes truth whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #233

It's the truth that he's taken money from CATO and The American Conservative. pnwmom Jul 2013 #254

Of course you don't whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #257

I'll take GG's own assessment of where he stands on the political spectrum if you don't mind. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #234

Nothing about Greenwald's involvement with CATO has been debunked. pnwmom Jul 2013 #255

Of course it has. Every one of the feeble attacks on GG and of course all the other writers and sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #256

Isn't that where Obamacare came from? burnodo Jul 2013 #237

K&R midnight Jul 2013 #235

Add me to the list of members of "The Glenn Greenwald Left" Lonr Jul 2013 #246

Needed to be said, thanks for saying it! Rex Jul 2013 #250

Me too apparently, even tho I didn't know it because I have been the same liberal for forty years Dragonfli Jul 2013 #259

Lol, I know what you mean. When I was little, I was told to always consider the source sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #260

Considering the source, I feel like I have won a major award. Dragonfli Jul 2013 #261

Proud Supporter pmorlan1 Jul 2013 #262

Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #264

sabrina, you thought Anwar Al-Awlaki was a non-violent cleric who had been msanthrope Jul 2013 #265

Have you seen evidence of al-Awlaki's violent acts? Maedhros Jul 2013 #292

Yes. Google Rajib Karim and read about the emails between him and Awlaki msanthrope Jul 2013 #295

Thank you for the link - I had not seen that. Maedhros Jul 2013 #296

Why? Under the AUMF of 9/18/2001 Awlaki was no more entitled to a trial than msanthrope Jul 2013 #309

I have a differing opinion from yours. Maedhros Jul 2013 #310

Awlaki was a combatant....he was planning and directing terrorist attacks. Under msanthrope Jul 2013 #311

It is inappropriate to apply the same criteria used to define WWII "Combatants" with criminals. Maedhros Jul 2013 #312

It's not inappropriate...it's the law. Upheld repeatedly. However, for the sake of msanthrope Jul 2013 #314

Thank you, Sabrina, annabanana Jul 2013 #270

How did you confuse a Rand Paul acolyte with Progressive dog Jul 2013 #271

How about Al Franken, is a Paul acolyte too? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #287

Al Franken is not Glen Grenwald Progressive dog Jul 2013 #288

That wasn't the question. Franken has lavished praise on Rand Paul and is his sponsor in the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #289

Franken is NOT Rand Paul's sponsor in the Senate Progressive dog Jul 2013 #290

Please stop with the bald faced lying. Maedhros Jul 2013 #291

Paul was praised by Greenwald, a piece by Progressive dog Jul 2013 #293

When politicians take positions we disagree with, Maedhros Jul 2013 #298

Greenwald didn't condemn Paul on anything but he Progressive dog Jul 2013 #299

He was writing about how neither Romney nor Obama were addressing the war Maedhros Jul 2013 #301

Not just the anti-war stance, but you're starting to get it. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #303

Party labels mean little to me. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #304

An actual quote from Glenn Progressive dog Jul 2013 #294

But being anti-war, anti-surveillance-state, anti-crony-capitalism and anti-drug-war are good things Maedhros Jul 2013 #297

Of course I ignored Glenn's apologia, I Progressive dog Jul 2013 #302

I'm sure your approbrium causes Glenn to lose little sleep. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #305

Can you point out anything that is incorrect in that statement?? Have you checked Paul's voting sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #307

Just because you agree with Greenwald on Paul doesn't Progressive dog Jul 2013 #315

And just because you DON'T agree with all the Democrats who have worked with and praised sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #317

"All the democrats who have praised Paul" Progressive dog Jul 2013 #318

Thank you, you saved me the trouble. I see the goal posts have moved, no apology for spreading sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #306

I lurked for years and always appreciated your posts, Sabrina. Maedhros Jul 2013 #308

The combination of high reply count and high rec to reply ratio for this op Mc Mike Jul 2013 #272

Kick & Rec bobduca Jul 2013 #276

Lol, and the actual polls show that they are not. Two major polls this week show that now sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #283

Thanks, Sabrina. Great post! dgibby Jul 2013 #285

Kay and effin' Arrrr. nt hifiguy Jul 2013 #313

I'm a part of the "nuance, perspective, and sense of scale" left. WatermelonRat Jul 2013 #321

Dick Cheney isn't a malevolent puppet-master? Since when? Did he have a 'change of heart', well sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #322