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(116,464 posts) Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:49 PM Jul 2013

Greenwald is not the left. [View all]

Greenwald: Progressives and the Ron Paul fallacies
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100294827

Then he got defensive.

@Wolfrum Thanks: of course Obama = better than Paul on those issues for progressives - though I do say Endless War jeopradizes entitlements

http://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/153169132471328768

Greenwald does exactly this: Hype Ron Paul based on soundbites. One can find any number of clips or writings contradicting these soundbites, as with the anti-war claim. You're opposed to the death penalty, but would let people die without health care?

Let's look at the numbers: There were less than 80 executions in the U.S. last year, the lowest in 40 years. Tens of thousand of people die each year without health care

Greenwald doesn't for a second consider that Paul's positions are propaganda.

"Endless War jeopradizes entitlements"?

What the hell does that mean? You know what jeopardizes "entitlements": getting rid of them and believing they're unconstitutional.

Is slavery an entitlement program?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100294914

Debunking the "Ron Paul Cares About Civil Liberties" Myth

Last week Glenn Greenwald won the Dumbest Tweet of the Week award with this beauty, about Ron Paul:

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http://angryblacklady.com/2011/12/28/debunking-the-ron-paul-cares-about-civil-liberties-myth/

Glenn Greenwald defend Rand Paul against "Democratic myths"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022485711

Disappointing those who 'stand with Rand'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022742805

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Greenwald is not the left. [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

Neither is Obama n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #1

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #5

I have always found that image to be disgusting. MineralMan Jul 2013 #8

Some were either too young, or too oblvious to remember LordGlenconner Jul 2013 #9

It appears as tho it was found not acceptable. n/t Raine1967 Jul 2013 #12

Yes. A good jury decision, all around. Results below: MineralMan Jul 2013 #15

It was just one vote away from leaving it, since ties go to leaving it. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #33

Yes, it was. However, in my experience, most hidden posts MineralMan Jul 2013 #39

I don't think the picture denotes hatred. David__77 Jul 2013 #127

Obama = Bush, which is what that picture says, is hatred of Obama. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #128

Hate Is On The Rise otohara Jul 2013 #14

+1 SunSeeker Jul 2013 #36

you'd have to really hate Obama to post this picture. AlbertCat Jul 2013 #86

And Yet It Got Pulled For Being Hyperbolic otohara Jul 2013 #95

And Yet It Got Pulled For Being Hyperbolic AlbertCat Jul 2013 #96

So Go Somewhere Else otohara Jul 2013 #100

Arrogant much? AlbertCat Jul 2013 #112

No mineralman, Obama has gone too far to be acceptable. nt bonniebgood Jul 2013 #69

Uh-huh... MineralMan Jul 2013 #82

I don't think it's cool at ALL to post that DevonRex Jul 2013 #11

A jury has decided to hide that offensive photoshop. MineralMan Jul 2013 #13

Thank goodness. DevonRex Jul 2013 #16

I posted the jury results above, in #15 MineralMan Jul 2013 #18

Obama is an African American man. Proudly so. AlbertCat Jul 2013 #87

Do you have a point? DevonRex Jul 2013 #91

We are all aware of that fact. AlbertCat Jul 2013 #93

Ouch Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #67

You got that right. bowens43 Jul 2013 #79

Neither is Prosense. Far right ideology disquised as "it's the best we can do". To them, Torture is grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #85

[citation needed] ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #88

Sure grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #109

So posting the ProSense Jul 2013 #116

Let's clear this up. Should torturers be prosecuted? grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #118

Yes, ProSense Jul 2013 #119

Too true. polichick Jul 2013 #147

yawn nt msongs Jul 2013 #2

I know. I wish they would get it that no one cares about Ron Paul! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #53

Back to Flooding Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #4

Bingo.. you hit that one out of the ball park Peacetrain Jul 2013 #6

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #30

It's always great to see newcomers drop by and accuse old members of being trolls! struggle4progress Jul 2013 #84

Yeah, how damn dumb do you have to be? nm Cha Jul 2013 #111

Hi. I'm part of the left and think Glen Greenwald is great. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #7

Funny, with your disdain for the left whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #10

What people don't understand about Greenwald is that he is a reporter and a Cleita Jul 2013 #17

His training is as a lawyer, and he uses truth as a lawyer flamingdem Jul 2013 #20

So because he's a lawyer, he's not a journalist in your mind? Cleita Jul 2013 #22

Greenwald is not a journalist. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #129

Fuck Greenwald and anyone that reposts his garbage. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #19

Glenn Greenwald is as left as Ron and Rand Paul are.... Spazito Jul 2013 #21

He's a Paulite. Too much of a scumbag for either party, really. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #23

And it starts. Apophis Jul 2013 #24

What? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #25

And you are? last1standing Jul 2013 #26

Not, ProSense Jul 2013 #29

So if Grennwald and I have some similar views I'm a supporter... last1standing Jul 2013 #32

You make no sense, and I made no absurd claim. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #35

So when you rec'd Flamingodem's 'convergence' thread you weren't supporting it. last1standing Jul 2013 #54

To quote Jonathan Swift: Maedhros Jul 2013 #42

The most notable trait of Greenwald's writing style Maedhros Jul 2013 #38

Here's ProSense Jul 2013 #46

Other than this short note, I won't respond directly to your posts. Maedhros Jul 2013 #49

I suppose ProSense Jul 2013 #51

I've provided responses to your ad hominem attacks on Greenwald multiple times in the past. Maedhros Jul 2013 #58

Your claims are bogus. ProSense Jul 2013 #65

I'm putting you on ignore. Nothing personal. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #72

. ProSense Jul 2013 #76

Right ON bahrbearian Jul 2013 #64

I quit responding to her posts quite a while ago. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #89

You clicked on this OP. ProSense Jul 2013 #90

Please don't be flattered by this rare response. It will probably be the last for a long time. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #94

Oh ProSense Jul 2013 #97

I've responded to every one of her smears, in detail, more than once. Maedhros Jul 2013 #114

Stop being disingenuous, and ProSense Jul 2013 #115

Your "Third Way Worldspeak" linguistic framing might fool a few seriously reality challenged idiots, Zorra Jul 2013 #27

Guardian's Glenn Greenwald endorses Holt POSTED: Friday, July 19, 2013, Zorra Jul 2013 #28

Booker. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #34

What have you got against Rush Holt? Maedhros Jul 2013 #40

I have absolutely nothing against Holt, AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #44

So you are criticizing Greenwald for supporting a candidate Maedhros Jul 2013 #56

Booker is Third Way rightie, Holt is a progressive lefty. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #45

Cory Booker's defense of Wall Street may hurt his status with liberals, but it won't hurt his bank Zorra Jul 2013 #41

From the same article: AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #50

The point here is: Greenwald is a left progressive, who is supporting a left progressive Zorra Jul 2013 #66

First we are told over and over and over again to do the work of supporting better democrats then, Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #77

Exactly. The whole Third Way MO is smoke and mirrors. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #78

Obama nominates Chuck Hagel for Defense, John Brennan for CIA frylock Jul 2013 #63

Fuck Third Way and Paul supporters. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #31

Holy Irony, Batman. quakerboy Jul 2013 #108

Greenwald is one of the best journalists working today, and I'm a huge fan! quinnox Jul 2013 #37

If he wasn't on to something with his series of articles on the NSA Maedhros Jul 2013 #48

GOLDSTEIN!!! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #43

You know it Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #70

Just stopped by to snicker Android3.14 Jul 2013 #47

K&R stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #52

This is what "Support Obama" has degenerated to AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #55

Ad hominem isn't an argument. n/t D23MIURG23 Jul 2013 #57

Cricitism is criticism n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #60

Death by a thousand BLUE LINKIES Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #59

Yeah, ProSense Jul 2013 #61

"If it bleeds, we can kill it" Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #74

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #62

oh, my sides!!! MNBrewer Jul 2013 #68

Haven't commented on this before b/c I don't quite know what to make of it... War Horse Jul 2013 #71

Greenwald is an Ur-fascist B Stieg Jul 2013 #73

Lol. Let us know when you are invited to speak at a Socialism conference. kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #75

Does supporting the Pauls make one a socialist? ProSense Jul 2013 #81

The photo that dipsydoodle posted seems to most fit Obama. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #80

If it is discussed in the MSM, it ain't the left. dogknob Jul 2013 #83

You mean, ProSense Jul 2013 #92

FOX has been portraying themselves as "alternative media" forever. dogknob Jul 2013 #101

Wait a second, is this the Democratic, or the Demagogue Underground? BornLooser Jul 2013 #98

Welcome, ProSense Jul 2013 #99

He is the center. Just because he DLC and pukes have moved to the right does not mean reality has on point Jul 2013 #102

Who cares about labeling? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #103

So what is the Left? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #104

OK, ProSense Jul 2013 #117

Lol. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #105

Why ProSense Jul 2013 #106

No he isn't. He's a big-L Libertarian. But no amount of evidence will concince the faithful. ucrdem Jul 2013 #107

Only 38 recs? RetroLounge Jul 2013 #110

I know, ProSense Jul 2013 #113

LOL Scurrilous Jul 2013 #130

Well, there it is. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #132

I thought it wasn't about Greenwald. But here you are, making it into a personality. Quantess Jul 2013 #120

It isn't "about Greenwald" unless it's to praise him. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #121

No, you can't have it both ways. Quantess Jul 2013 #123

My comment was snark. The OP is clearly about Greenwald. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #124

This is the sort of OP that is posted AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #122

My turn! OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #131

K&R! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #125

So What? 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #126

A fine blast from the past. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #133

By that logic neither are you. Fearless Jul 2013 #134

"Generalizations"? ProSense Jul 2013 #137

You prove my point Fearless Jul 2013 #148

And neither are you. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #135

Yeah, you must be the left because you said "Cha-ching." ProSense Jul 2013 #138

Glenn Greenwald addresses Socialism 2013 conference in Chicago Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #136

I prefer ProSense Jul 2013 #139

Like David Sirota and many progressives he was opposing the Obama drone program and on that Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #140

Um ProSense Jul 2013 #141

why does it not surprise me that you think that at? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #142

"Why does it not surprise me that you" agree with his drivel? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #143

But, you see, in *Third Way World* socialism is a RIGHT WING ideology! Left is Right. Zorra Jul 2013 #146

Are you the left? AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #144

Left , right, libertarian, anarchist, whatever. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #145