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123. that "water" has been leaking over 2 years now

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:43 PM

Jul 2013

The Tokyo Electric Power Co. (Tepco), which operates the troubled Fukushima nuclear plant, on Thursday admitted that a nuclear meltdown occurred at the plant.

With the nuclear meltdown, Tepco said the nuclear fuel rods in the reactor are completely exposed, as large amounts of radiation are being released. The water level at the plant's No. 1 reactor was much lower than thought - as much as 5 meters (16.4 feet) below the nuclear rods - and clearly not high enough to cover the nuclear fuel.

According to reports, several holes were found at the bottom of the nuclear reactor's pressure vessel, where the melted nuclear fuel now threatens to leak out.

On a daily basis, Tepco injects almost 200 tons of water into the pressure vessel, but it is highly likely that the water has been constantly leaking from the vessel and containment chamber, eventually flowing under the reactor building.
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Why people don't give a shit about Fukishima. [View all] Safetykitten Jul 2013 OP

The denial surrounding this event is profound. nebenaube Jul 2013 #1

Yeah -- as in my post below, it's worrisome that we don't see a dissection of the Nay Jul 2013 #4

no solution or no affordable solution? austerity etc. elehhhhna Jul 2013 #78

Well, there's 'affordable' and then there's 'can't afford not to do it, no matter what the Nay Jul 2013 #81

It will poison the planet Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #2

fukushima kardonb Jul 2013 #85

I think that's unnecessarily harsh and also inaccurate. lark Jul 2013 #87

The nuke power field is awash in money. truedelphi Jul 2013 #206

The problem was created sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #223

IMO Non-Engineer, non-technical mangement and stockholders created it. One_Life_To_Give Jul 2013 #247

I like the quote from Rickover. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #249

+1 It was also insulting and childish and not conducive to the positive discussion cui bono Jul 2013 #226

You mean like the sunshine of your post? cui bono Jul 2013 #227

And what might be the solution to Fukushima? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #231

What's your solution Theyletmeeatcake2 Jul 2013 #245

Indeed. MynameisBlarney Jul 2013 #88

What disturbs me is that there is no world-wide mobilization of countries to help Nay Jul 2013 #3

I've tried to make up for lack of news coverage, using DU as a news medium... Octafish Jul 2013 #8

Thanks for all the effort and links think Jul 2013 #10

Agree! Safetykitten Jul 2013 #12

As a person who lives 15 miles downwind from a nuke plant Cleita Jul 2013 #15

excellent G_j Jul 2013 #16

Wow, you sure have. zeemike Jul 2013 #26

Wow. Thanks. I'm bookmarking these. ancianita Jul 2013 #31

k and r Berlum Jul 2013 #33

Fukushima SamKnause Jul 2013 #37

Thank you Octafish, you are another reason why I keep coming here. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #63

+1000 blackspade Jul 2013 #76

Bookmarked post and labeled as Octafish' Fukushima Resource List. cui bono Jul 2013 #228

This has bothered me since day one. They_Live Jul 2013 #32

Short of "creatively" nuking the site to burn up the radioactive fuel into Demeter Jul 2013 #53

And this is a huge problem with not only nuclear blackspade Jul 2013 #80

Yes I agree totally Theyletmeeatcake2 Jul 2013 #246

When nuclear goes bad madokie Jul 2013 #211

There's currently a push to get new nuclear plants going starroute Jul 2013 #55

First Japan has to tell the truth. Don't hold your proverbial breath for that. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #69

That would help, for sure. But if a dozen first-world countries pushed it, we could get Nay Jul 2013 #198

I believe your fears are both 100% justified. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #244

When the facility in Ukraine went up it was a huge deal in Europe and they are still dealing with byeya Jul 2013 #5

If all the nations pitched in to help, that would be admitting that nuclear power is dangerous. djean111 Jul 2013 #6

And it is invisible. earthside Jul 2013 #7

Some have even suggested KT2000 Jul 2013 #50

This. ^^^ CrispyQ Jul 2013 #68

you get 300 mrem from the sun every year, so I'm pretty sure that there is a safe amount. Sirveri Jul 2013 #229

There is absolutely a safe amount of radiation. Your body emits radiation. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #237

k&R think Jul 2013 #9

K&R Cleita Jul 2013 #11

Because it's in far away land and the people look different. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #13

Not everything has to do with racism. Majority of people are uninformed, many snagglepuss Jul 2013 #51

I don't think about it much because it's just so awful. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #14

There are a number of American servicemen who do give a shit, having been contaminated at Fukushima enough Jul 2013 #17

And some of us were (still are) personally attacked nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #18

That's just crazy - and very revealing. Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #19

Are you paid by the industry? (This is a classic industry attack) nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #21

"We have had fires caused by wind turbines." Really? Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #24

That poster has me on ignore... Agschmid Jul 2013 #27

wind turbines cause all kinds of evils treestar Jul 2013 #82

I googled... Because the poster will not respond. Agschmid Jul 2013 #28

Yes really. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #30

The Kahuku turbine fire didn't cause a wildfire.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #38

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #41

So YOU spread FUD, can't backup your lies, then accuse me, of all people... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #43

I gave you facts nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #46

removing shit is your tactic... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #200

rofl so your the poster referenced in the ask the admin thread loli phabay Jul 2013 #134

That's a rather spooky picture Orrex Jul 2013 #39

The Siemens tower in question nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #44

Oh my God!!! That fire is so much worse than radioactive contamination of the Pacific Ocean!!! Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #67

Why can't you see the similarity in the events? Why???? DevonRex Jul 2013 #186

And since you accuse ME of being an industry troll.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #47

Fascinating. MineralMan Jul 2013 #169

+1 Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #22

OMG!! To say a "similar event" can happen with a windmill is just bizarre. DevonRex Jul 2013 #171

but typical... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #199

Boggles the mind, but there it is. nt DevonRex Jul 2013 #205

nadinstrodamus strikes again! dionysus Jul 2013 #202

Ooh, yummy!! . DevonRex Jul 2013 #203

After all ThoughtCriminal Jul 2013 #214

For hilarity... DevonRex Jul 2013 #218

.... dionysus Jul 2013 #201

The more dire the problem, the stronger the denial. Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #20

By "people " who do you mean? Skidmore Jul 2013 #23

And why aren't Cleanup Courses Of Action a mandatory budget item for ALL energy technologies. ancianita Jul 2013 #34

Didnt you hear? The Royal baby has arrived. And its a BOY! ErikJ Jul 2013 #25

It's worldwide denial. animato Jul 2013 #29

Because, sadly, there's far worse to worry about... hunter Jul 2013 #35

great post nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #66

The ocean is already poisoned, this just adds to it... TreasonousBastard Jul 2013 #36

Nuclear power advocates: Loubee Jul 2013 #40

And add global warming to this and the human race is in for a hell of a century . Kablooie Jul 2013 #42

Seattle..... Marje Jul 2013 #45

I think you're right Marje and add to your thought that snappyturtle Jul 2013 #54

there is radiation coming from Japan babydollhead Jul 2013 #48

We withdrew into a fantasy years ago. This is a big, unsolvable problem and it's easier Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #59

Absolutely! nt matthews Jul 2013 #49

Thank you so much! nt matthews Jul 2013 #77

Anytime. Welcome to DU! nt proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #79

get a towel. don't panic. pansypoo53219 Jul 2013 #52

My only hope is that the radioactive particles will settle out and wind up in ocean sediments under kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #56

Not very long Tien1985 Jul 2013 #57

They don't care yet brush Jul 2013 #58

Not quite... Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #60

Whoop! There it is!! RobertEarl Jul 2013 #108

Amazing...truly amazing spectacle of republican-like messaging. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #119

oh bullshit... n/t nebenaube Jul 2013 #156

Yes, there it is - there is the same bullshit we hear closeupready Jul 2013 #204

cooling water is the problem Phil1934 Jul 2013 #61

this is horrifying!!!!! hopemountain Jul 2013 #239

I have read through all of the responses to this thread (to this point)... Moostache Jul 2013 #62

Well said. I keep waiting for the problems to become SO obvious that psychopathic greedheads.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #73

Not only the contamination Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #64

The Fuki deniers can go up there and clean it up. They like the radiation. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #115

Bottom line WovenGems Jul 2013 #65

Use less energy. Conium Jul 2013 #70

K&R. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #72

I think people give a shit but there's not much we can do about it NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #74

Unfortuantely, nuclear power was never safe. blackspade Jul 2013 #75

I greatly admire Gregory Jaczko whose handling of the Fukushima crisis may have cost him his job. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #83

Interesting...thanks! KoKo Jul 2013 #90

I care LittleGirl Jul 2013 #84

We have dragnets that trawl the ocean for fish...yet we can't clean up KoKo Jul 2013 #93

I totally agree LittleGirl Jul 2013 #95

Troll the ocean ... ? oldhippie Jul 2013 #187

I corrected...sorry about that...and thanks for "Heads Up" KoKo Jul 2013 #213

"Turn War to Peace & Clean Up the Planet hopemountain Jul 2013 #240

"within years the entire Pacific will be contaminated" AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #86

Bioaccumulation Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #89

And what of the entire REACTORS that have gone in, under operation? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #91

There has never been an event to compare with Fukushima Dai-Ichi... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #92

Maybe, maybe not. For 12 years nations routinely dumped radioactive material into the ocean. byeya Jul 2013 #96

Oh please, reactor 4 wasn't even operating when it happened. 1-3 are much worse. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #97

The spent fuel pool of Reactor 4 is what people are worried about... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #107

It's a lot of material. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #120

So...how long till they get a grip on it? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #122

Unsure. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #124

Unsure? You are confident this can be handled. Unsure is not an answer. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #126

Sure. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #132

"It's not for me to promise timetables for them."... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #136

Not my problem. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #137

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8420 questionseverything Jul 2013 #131

No. jeff47 Jul 2013 #99

"Contaminating a fish doesn't produce "new" radioactive material." Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #100

No, that's you continuing to not understand. jeff47 Jul 2013 #102

Poisoning, say, a large proportion of Bluefin Tuna, is "poisoning the entire Pacific" in my book... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #103

There isn't enough radioactive material to do that. jeff47 Jul 2013 #104

“Absolutely Every One” Bluefin Tuna Tested In California Waters Contaminated with Fukushima.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #105

Still doesn't overcome the scale problem. jeff47 Jul 2013 #195

So if it goes on for a couple of generations, still ok? I mean it's a big ocean. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #113

The comparison was made to the total amount of fuel on site. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #125

So how long will it "leak"? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #128

Until they plug everything, drain, and empty it? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #133

Yes. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #139

Stop that. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #142

Stop what? You are the person trivializing the situation. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #144

I'm not trivializing it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #147

I am deeply thinking about what you wrote. Wait...wait... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #153

I know, it's hard. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #155

Slowly improving. 2060 say? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #159

Sure. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #162

Well at least your an optimist. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #163

Going on for a couple generations actually reduces the problem. jeff47 Jul 2013 #196

Ok, that statement I would accept BUT AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #106

Frankly, on a scale of 1 to 10, "Poisoning the Pacific from Fukushima" is a 1 to 2 with me.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #191

How is that Mr. Math? There is a shutoff switch we do not know about at the plant? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #114

No, I'm saying if you sprinkle the entire contents over the ocean jeff47 Jul 2013 #193

Showing you the math would be akin to introducing Adam & Eve to calculus. nebenaube Jul 2013 #167

Now you are just being a math snob. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #168

And yet, you utterly failed to do so. jeff47 Jul 2013 #194

Our "alarm systems" evolved to deal with the tiger tblue37 Jul 2013 #94

I'm reminded of those who predicted that the Deepwater Horizon leak jeff47 Jul 2013 #98

We all know that the gulf is now cleaner and more pristine after the blowout. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #111

Is it literally full of oil? jeff47 Jul 2013 #192

Don't you register any shades of gray between absolute contamination and pristine purity? Silent3 Jul 2013 #216

Hate to be a stickler, but Japan is made up of more than 6,000 islands. Apophis Jul 2013 #101

So you would have no problem living there, say just to the north? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #110

Uh, nowhere in my post did I ever insinuate that. Apophis Jul 2013 #116

Well then why your little geography missive? Big place yes indeedy! Safetykitten Jul 2013 #117

Your reading comprehension isn't quite up to par, I see. Apophis Jul 2013 #118

Ok, explain. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #121

Many of us on DU have no comprehension of ...... oldhippie Jul 2013 #129

You are a pro at it, hippie RobertEarl Jul 2013 #146

Most old hippies I know are worse than young republicans. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #149

And some are just fake hippies RobertEarl Jul 2013 #157

Oh... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #161

But at least I know that Japan .... oldhippie Jul 2013 #183

There are at least AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #164

Well, look who finally showed up. oldhippie Jul 2013 #181

See, you are cluless RobertEarl Jul 2013 #184

I am crushed all right ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #188

Good for you, you have learned RobertEarl Jul 2013 #190

Maybe dolphins will develop opposable thumbs and finally reach the fire-axe age. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #197

Maybe the US PTB want the populace to die from contaminated food. valerief Jul 2013 #109

people don't give a shit? what? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #112

that "water" has been leaking over 2 years now questionseverything Jul 2013 #123

Um, that's a LITTLE bit different than current conditions. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #127

So what's curent? Tell us. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #130

Are you seriously unable to find the same public AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #135

But you are certain. So positive. Tell us why we should listen to you. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #138

You want credibility problems? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #141

Nice re-direct. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #143

Tepco provides regular updates. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #145

That's where I go for unadulterated truth. Tepco updates on their own disaster. Thanks for the tip! Safetykitten Jul 2013 #150

There are better sources. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #151

How this will play out... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #154

Fuck it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #158

No thanks, I have to clean the Cheetos off my shirt and then go breast feed my Bull Masttiff. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #160

Suit yourself. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #166

leaking in 2011,still leaking 2013 questionseverything Jul 2013 #170

How MUCH of that quantity of fuel is likely to leak? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #172

Oh dear, looks like your run was interrupted. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #174

Wrapping some bullshit up before I go. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #175

Say, would you want to sponsor me for the cookie sale at the Young Commies would you? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #176

No cookies. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #177

Suit yourself. I have "Chernobyl Glow Thin-Mints" and "Proletariat Peanut Clusters" Safetykitten Jul 2013 #178

I do so love thin mints.... AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #182

from the new article i posted questionseverything Jul 2013 #179

The corium is outside the RPV, inside the containment. Next question. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #180

not according to this sceintist questionseverything Jul 2013 #185

Thanks again for the invite. But after the Bull Mastiff, I have to go to the Young Commies Bakesale Safetykitten Jul 2013 #173

leaking/uncontained questionseverything Jul 2013 #152

And a radioactive jet stream! Bonus! peace13 Jul 2013 #140

On the West Coast and Alaska, within truedelphi Jul 2013 #207

Thanks for this! Nt peace13 Jul 2013 #243

The sad thing is that people who were young when the first Earth Day went down... peace13 Jul 2013 #148

Only when the last dollar is eaten will we realize that we cannot eat money. Zorra Jul 2013 #165

That skit is brilliant. Thanks! n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #208

"Because the outcome is too horrible to comprehend"? Trillo Jul 2013 #189

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #209

People here don't give a shit about our own land. Indyfan53 Jul 2013 #210

Just how much radioactive waste was released by these 2053 tests WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2013 #212

Chernobyl and the Gulf Coast locks Jul 2013 #215

I suspect that no one knows exactly how to stop the poisoning emsimon33 Jul 2013 #217

plenty of people do give a shit hopemountain Jul 2013 #219

Well kids, it kinda breaks down like this... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #220

Nice summation. You can't see it, or smell it... JEB Jul 2013 #221

I have always been against nukes for basic reasons. Science. Security. Stupidity. freshwest Jul 2013 #222

Nuclear reactors are dooms day machines. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #224

You can easily turn off nuclear reactors. Positive void reactors can even shut off on their own. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #232

That's good to know. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #248

Can anyone try to back you down from extreme hyperbole... Silent3 Jul 2013 #225

At least you are admitting you were wrong. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #230

Nuclear energy is perfectly safe assuming it's not overseen by morons. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #233

I don't have more faith in humanity than that. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #236

Considering nuclear energy is safer per terawatt/hour than any other form of energy production... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #238

How can you insure that it is safe for my great-great-great grandchildren? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #250

They don't give a shit because there was no visible impact. Sirveri Jul 2013 #234

"life goes on, people still grow and eat food and have babies." darkangel218 Jul 2013 #235

Where are those items? Sirveri Jul 2013 #241

even the southern hemisphere is going to be effected by this.... ElsewheresDaughter Jul 2013 #242

Because that glowing wad has yet to splash beneath us. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #251