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MuseRider

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111. Well of course! Right there with you.

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:11 PM

Jul 2013

THIS is what I would expect to see on a website called Democratic Underground. The rest of it is just disruption or severe partisanship that does not care where the party goes as long as they can be a member.....makes you kinda swoony to think you can belong.

No party here, got tired of the thinking being done and served to me as if I thought of it myself, especially tired of it when I looked at it and thought it looked like RW pablum.

GG I don't particularly care for or not care for, he is a journalist doing his job and I appreciate him. I really do not know where he falls on the scale, never thought to evaluate that. Still, I agree with him far more than I agree with a whole lot of people here trying to discredit what others say rather than seeking to move us with more than calling us Paulites etc. once again

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Proud Member Of "The Glenn Greenwald Left" Here. [View all] sabrina 1 Jul 2013 OP

Nice post, Alex Jones! whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #1

Lol, it's amazing how much some people know about this guy. I think the last time I sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #13

DU is awash in accusations of Ron/Rand Paul and Alex Jones love whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #20

I know. I'm trying to figure out what all this is supposed to accomplish. Eg, am I supposed sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #28

It is trying to accomplish fear zeemike Jul 2013 #42

Well, it's clearly not working. I hope no one is paying for this as it would be a huge waste of sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #44

They have the effect of making life-long democrats want to run screaming from the party whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #49

Since you mention it, I've wondered for a while now if that really is the goal, because you are sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #51

May be the goal of some here, but many are just blind partisans whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #59

Poison to Democracy Aerows Jul 2013 #60

+100 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #107

"Either way it's poison to democracy" bvar22 Jul 2013 #147

'Poison to Democracy'. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #162

I think you're on to something. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #78

"There's going to be a big battle in the 2016 primaries." I wish. Problem is that rhett o rick Jul 2013 #144

I have heard some talk about Martin O'Malley running Vattel Jul 2013 #200

The Return of the "Reagan Democrats". bvar22 Jul 2013 #148

They're trashing Elizabeth Warren now. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #179

I just read in the paper tblue Jul 2013 #126

The Youth are not dumb. bvar22 Jul 2013 #149

Right!. Cos everyone down ticket runs on same platform!...woo.fuckn.hoo! Nt pkdu Jul 2013 #229

+1 - eom dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #154

yep . . . n/t annabanana Jul 2013 #267

K&R Progressive dog Jul 2013 #269

Count me in. The propaganda to smear the left is in overdrive. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #2

Because the Left is always right. And in an atmosphere of lies and deceptions, the left always sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #8

The Left is always put on the defensive. tblue Jul 2013 #129

And that needs to change. The Left should never try to defend itself agaiinst the inane attacks sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #216

Proud member of the left here. LWolf Jul 2013 #3

+10000 YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #4

I agree, but it wasn't MY idea, I'm just running with the latest attack on the 'left'. Call it using sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #6

Let's take the bull by the horns LWolf Jul 2013 #7

Sure, but to most intelligent minds that isn't even an issue. I learned to fight fire with fire sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #10

I think we need a whole lot more fire. LWolf Jul 2013 #12

Lol, that's a cute little guy! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #16

Right There With Ya !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #5

I stand with Glenn Greenwald! Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #9

Yep. there seems to be a third way design Cleita Jul 2013 #11

Greenwald is trying to get at the truth? By posting inaccurate information regarding data-mining KittyWampus Jul 2013 #17

What? Cleita Jul 2013 #24

If the information is old then Snowden is not a traitor right? Pablo Guachupita Jul 2013 #215

He's a traitor for releasing old information that we all already knew, and which also isn't true. Marr Jul 2013 #241

Why do you list conservatives as part of the Anti-Greenwald Left? shawn703 Jul 2013 #14

You want a list of Democrats FOR Civil Liberties? I can provide that too for you. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #19

I think you're missing what I'm getting at shawn703 Jul 2013 #118

Okay, my mistake. And the Greenwald Left is not my label. That came from the latest attack sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #159

Not all of them are lefties lark Jul 2013 #30

True shawn703 Jul 2013 #124

I think from this comment, that you misunderstood the OP. I was pointing out who is ANTI- Left sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #242

In "Centrist," I hear, "No Changes in our Personal Power vs the Transnational Corporations" HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #239

That was my question as well ... Myrina Jul 2013 #34

Ah, so you practice guilt by association. That's TOTALLY a mark of Progressive Democrats. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #15

This from someone whose posts seem to point Cleita Jul 2013 #21

Excuse me? I'm pretty far left but I'm not an ideologue and I"m not prone to ratfucking. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #25

Social Security DID cover everyone. zeemike Jul 2013 #46

No, it originally did not. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #163

It covered everyone who paid into the system zeemike Jul 2013 #183

You are wrong - emulatorloo Jul 2013 #210

Are you saying that they payed into the system but could not collect? zeemike Jul 2013 #213

your support of right-wing policy would indicate that you are pretty far from far left frylock Jul 2013 #116

Or far from planet reality Aerows Jul 2013 #136

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ bvar22 Jul 2013 #155

no, I am fairly close to being a socialist. But I understand politics means cutting deals. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #161

i am a socialist, and cutting deals and capitulation have two entirely different defintions.. frylock Jul 2013 #164

Where have I EVER defended "untettered surveillance"? That is the whole point. I do not. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #170

"perpetually outraged" Aerows Jul 2013 #187

Yes, it reminds of Rush frankly, whose constant attacks on 'lieberals' include that phrase sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #249

We understand that too, that politics is about cutting deals. And usually you want YOUR side sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #184

So you want to end poverty but just not in a hurry? And those in a hurry are ideologues? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #208

Your post #15 shows you are most definitely not "pretty far left". cui bono Jul 2013 #243

So what do you think then, of OPs that trash the 'left' by compairing them to say, Alex Jones? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #23

That OP compared the reactions/methods of conspiracy theorists on both sides of political spectrum. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #26

THAT OP was exactly what you described, an attempt at 'guilt by association'. This one was to point sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #31

And it's telling that when Libertarian trolls post here, their screeds get recommended by some. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #18

And after that.... zappaman Jul 2013 #37

+1. Birds of a feather, you know the rest...nt Zorra Jul 2013 #22

this is worth listening to if only for the first 5 min. to hear Jeremy Scahill's introduction of Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #27

Thanks, I'm part of the Jeremy Scahill left also. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #33

Thanks for posting that... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #90

Wow! Fantastic find, Douglas Carpenter! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #130

Clearly, anyone who is a keynote speaker at the Socialism 2013 Conference Maedhros Jul 2013 #209

Transcript of Glenn Greenwald's address to the Socialism 2013 Conference. Maedhros Jul 2013 #211

I wouldn't say I stand with Greenwald but I stand with anyone who tries to ferret out corruption byeya Jul 2013 #29

Proud member of the anti-Iraq war, anti-Citizens United, anti Ron and Rand Paul left ProSense Jul 2013 #32

Hear! Hear! Skidmore Jul 2013 #53

Btw, it was not I who called Glenn Greenwald 'left'. Did you go into that thread sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #104

You are a leftist? AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #300

This message was self-deleted by its author grantcart Jul 2013 #35

Bump! grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #36

Me too. I'm almost surprised by how stupid the opposition is stupidicus Jul 2013 #38

I don't think they are nincampoops or gullible. Some imo, are just weak and don't want to lose sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #43

A Job Is A Terrible Thing To Lose otohara Jul 2013 #73

yep stupidicus Jul 2013 #74

Good post, but I'm inclined to disagree regarding the age demographics of the 'gullible' over sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #77

a "baby bulge of political cultishness," p'raps? MisterP Jul 2013 #190

Yes, I think maybe you got that right. The young certainly do seem to get it, maybe because sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #244

I'd agree with that stupidicus Jul 2013 #224

I could not agree more with your last sentence, having spent my early online years mostly on sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #228

you struck a chord as well Sabrina stupidicus Jul 2013 #236

When people join the side of fascism kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #132

lol stupidicus Jul 2013 #217

lol, well here is Glenn in his own words grantcart Jul 2013 #39

I had responded to your original comment but it was deleted when I posted. So here it is again: sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #41

Sorry for the deletion, I thought I had double posted. grantcart Jul 2013 #115

Why did you say this? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #185

So..your problem with GG is that he didn't learn from life experience... KoKo Jul 2013 #58

I don't have a problem with GG grantcart Jul 2013 #123

Where did I say GG was a Hero? KoKo Jul 2013 #151

The intensity of emotion re Greenwald is coming from elsewhere. It isn't coming from the Left. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #178

Your knowledge of Greenwald's positions is poor. Maedhros Jul 2013 #214

Wow, thank you. That sounds more like a Liberal to me than many claiming the liberal label. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #251

It's from a page Glenn set up to counter the many misleading labels that he gets tagged with. Maedhros Jul 2013 #253

You are correct in that my understanding of Greenwald's position is not well informed. grantcart Jul 2013 #268

My advice would be to become informed about Greenwald's positions Maedhros Jul 2013 #274

Now you are being foolish. grantcart Jul 2013 #277

You stated up front that you are uninformed about Greenwald's positions. Maedhros Jul 2013 #286

"All material published by Assange and Greenwald would have been published elsewhere by others" delrem Jul 2013 #223

In contrast to some persons with the big (D), he never voted for the Iraq War Resolution. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #81

lol he supported it but no he was not a Congressperson at the time. grantcart Jul 2013 #125

Exactly. Those who would condemn him but not the Senators are hypocrites. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #137

No they would only be hypocrites if the lifted them up as heroes as the OP does. grantcart Jul 2013 #141

You want to know what I think? Really? I value truth. The OP did not say or imply he is a "hero." AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #152

So you don't think that an OP that is titled: Proud Member Of "The Glenn Greenwald Left" Here grantcart Jul 2013 #275

Nope. And no matter how long you make your post, it doesn't make your assertion true. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #278

And no matter how short you make your post it doesn't make the your avoidance of grantcart Jul 2013 #279

Your issue was whether he was a "hero". Now you are changing the subject again. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #280

well done grantcart flamingdem Jul 2013 #281

The "War on Terror" hoodwinked a lot of people ... HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #247

Hillary Clinton supported it and still does. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #156

"I admire him for being open to the fact that he was wrong." Enthusiast Jul 2013 #263

And yet you were a very serious supporter of Chuck 'Republicans Who Voted For War' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #95

I was not a 'serious supporter' of Hagel and unlike the OP don't put myself grantcart Jul 2013 #109

First, this OP was merely a response to an attack on the LEFT, using Greenwald as a tactic to do so. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #191

"this OP was merely a response" grantcart Jul 2013 #284

He hates US fed govt wealth distribution so much that he won't even pay taxes into it. great white snark Jul 2013 #98

I don't think this is a fair statement. grantcart Jul 2013 #128

Ditto. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #40

Glenn Greenwald is not left.. Peacetrain Jul 2013 #45

Well, that wasn't MY phrase. I was merely responding to yet another assault on the 'left'. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #48

That is a fair question Peacetrain Jul 2013 #57

Greenwald opposes all cuts to SS, Medicare & Medicaid, supports public financing of elections Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #134

Thanks for your response. Re Republicans hating Government though, I'm not sure that is true. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #201

K&R I'm for civil liberties, period. forestpath Jul 2013 #47

K&R +1 woot nt. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #50

Proud member of the left Whisp Jul 2013 #52

Fuck Republicans in a Democratic Admiistration's Cabinet. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #54

Exactly whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #66

Purist babble. FDR had Republicans in his cabinet. great white snark Jul 2013 #91

I love that word 'purist'. Lol! An old Third Way piece of propaganda against the Left that is pulled sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #94

1) They were not the same type of Republicans. 2) Lincoln did not appoint Confederates to his Admin. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #282

You must be committed to the woo Aerows Jul 2013 #55

Ssshhhh! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #67

we must keep kicking and recommending this till it gets to the front page Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #56

Well, I stand with protecting our Civil Liberties as I always have. And lately the attacks on the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #62

I'm a proud member of the "Don't spy on me, asshole" Left. klook Jul 2013 #61

Couldn't agree more. I'm merely using their own choice of target to respond to the attacks on the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #63

I have noticed G_j Jul 2013 #64

Same here..it was another eye-opener. KoKo Jul 2013 #65

Yes, many people have noticed that. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #69

the politicians and commentators I have always respected most are likewise supportive carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #70

Yes, I was going to make a list, which thankfully is very long, of all the Democrats who sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #101

real journalist real journalist - not the caviar correspondents of Washington and New York Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #75

I'm a member of stop the fucking bush policies left. Autumn Jul 2013 #68

Me too. The OP is merely a response to the latest attack on the Left right here on DU whereby sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #72

They can say whatever they want. I know where I stand Autumn Jul 2013 #112

Kicked and Recommended MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #71

We've arrived at the fork in the road, the dissonance is deafening, this derivation of Democrats. BornLooser Jul 2013 #76

I agree with you. This was not my phrase, just responding to the latest attack on the Left wherein sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #82

I should have prefaced my opinion by stating that it was not directed at you, sabrina 1. BornLooser Jul 2013 #85

Thank you, I didn't take it personally, just wanted to explain the OP for those who didn't sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #89

Snowden notwithstanding DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #79

He supported the ACLU's stand on Citizens United. Have you read their reasons for sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #86

and yeah yeah unions too DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #167

Can you please post what GG said? I have read the ACLU's position on Citizen's United, but not sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #168

read the bloody salon article DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #169

Okay, if you can't have a civil discussion, let's leave it at that. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #188

Never mind, thanks to Luminous Animal I see why you didn't want to enter into a discussion about sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #189

did that stop him from DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #207

I highlighted a few quotes in post #181. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #186

Really. He said it didn't matter? Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #181

Your claims of righteousness remind me of the Bod Dylan song intaglio Jul 2013 #80

What do you mean by 'righteousness'? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #84

Quoted from the OP intaglio Jul 2013 #96

And?? Are you saying there is no right and no wrong? I asked you a question regarding sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #99

And I have provided the reason why I used the term "righteousness" intaglio Jul 2013 #102

Dylan and I are on the same page on issues like this. So thanks for the reminder. But again, sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #105

Because you are applying a faulty litmus test emulatorloo Jul 2013 #212

No, that is YOUR claim. I am responding to what was pure flamebait today, yet another attack sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #232

The thread that prompted this one was a dumbass opinion piece from The Daily Banter emulatorloo Jul 2013 #238

Yes, flamebait should sink, but that is why it is called 'flamebait', because good people feel sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #240

There is no "right" or "wrong". jazzimov Jul 2013 #83

When it comes to people's Civil Rights, there are no shades of grey. But that's just my opinion. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #92

They're called Libertarians. Not Democrats. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #87

Who are 'called Libertarians'? I am a Democrat, just fyi, and always have been. As sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #100

Snowden, Greenwald, and their ilk are Libertarians. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #219

Really? That's quite a charge re Greenwald. Do you have something to back it up? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #221

So, we have to oppose whatever Libertarians are for ... HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #258

Greenwald is an excellent journalist, and always has been. closeupready Jul 2013 #88

Try being a Democrat instead of governing from the sidelines. great white snark Jul 2013 #93

You know, you just called me a liar. I would like an apology as I do not engage in sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #97

Enthusiastic K&R! I'm a big fan of Greenwald and his work quinnox Jul 2013 #103

You and a whole lot of other Americans. You have to wonder why anyone would not be when sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #106

But..but..he's not a loyal Democrat who rubberstamps Republican policies the boss likes them. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #108

Good job sabrina 1! K&R nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #110

Well of course! Right there with you. MuseRider Jul 2013 #111

This conversation is founded in the psychological need to categorize oneself. Billy Pilgrim Jul 2013 #113

du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #114

Greenwald is not the left. ProSense Jul 2013 #117

Greenwald: To apply "right-wing libertarian" label to someone with those views...is patently idiotic Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #142

Another ProSense Jul 2013 #143

Merely because YOU say that he supports the Paul's has never made it so. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #145

I wonder how many conservative think tank hours NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #204

The ACLU agrees with him on this from a legal standpoint. Do you oppose the ACLU also? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #157

Do you agree with Citizens United? ProSense Jul 2013 #165

But, you CAN'T disagree with the ACLU on anything, otherwise you might be a sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #173

Nonsense. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #174

Of course it' nonsense, that's what I SAID. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #176

You forgot from the "Anti-Greenwald Left" list ... meegbear Jul 2013 #119

count me out... madrchsod Jul 2013 #120

Sorry, kiddo, but Binaries are a thing of the past. B Stieg Jul 2013 #121

You haven't been reading the attacks on the Left here if you think 'binaries are a thing of the past sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #198

And look at from whence they come... B Stieg Jul 2013 #245

I can fry big fish and take care of the little ones at the same time. I am an amazing multi-tasker. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #248

Seriously? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #266

Thank you!! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #316

You're welcome!! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #319

You only need one of those if you haven't had enough exercise. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #320

Kick. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #122

Proud member of "The Glenn Greenwald Left" checking in n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #127

Proud to be the 101st rec. nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #131

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #133

K&R hay rick Jul 2013 #135

I don't like to put myself in categories tblue Jul 2013 #138

Hi tblue, adore you too. The OP is actually kind of silly, but then I was responding to some sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #166

Great OP sabrina 1, but I have to say NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #205

I think people are, it's been going on for quite a while on Democratic blogs and people are not sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #252

Greenwald can be right or wrong. The attacks, however, are largely dishonest. DirkGently Jul 2013 #139

Great post. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #146

Excellent Post, DirkGently. bvar22 Jul 2013 #153

Awesome post. Autumn Jul 2013 #158

Excellent post. woo me with science Jul 2013 #160

THIS truly deserves its own OP. Excellent, excellent comment! I have nothing to add, and if you know sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #182

It's cognitive dissonance, DirkGently. Maedhros Jul 2013 #218

Maedhros, you make an interesting point also.. KoKo Jul 2013 #273

Excellent read, DG... ! KoKo Jul 2013 #220

I quit reading Salon when he was the only writer they didn't lose Kolesar Jul 2013 #226

I stand with Glenn, on the Left! MNBrewer Jul 2013 #140

Deng and Mao had a conversation that applies here. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #150

Excellent post, thank you for posting in my thread, it deserves its own thread. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #171

Dude you are sick, check out the Ed Show and get your mind straight. BrainMann1 Jul 2013 #172

Lol, thanks for the compliment! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #175

I'm a member of the Clark Griswold left, myself. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #177

I adore Clark Griswold! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #180

Angry? kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #192

Lol, I know, I agree! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #194

K&R for Civil Liberties!! Thank you Sabrina1 ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #193

Better Believe It!!...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #195

He sure made an impression on you! Lol! You Better Believe It! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #196

What can I say. You remind me of him/her...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #197

Thanks, I'm not sure if that was meant as a compliment or an insult, but you would never, ever sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #199

I saw the original flamebait thread you're responding to Oilwellian Jul 2013 #202

Lol, I know, I decided to use their own labels to respond. And now I am a fan girl of GG or sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #203

ditto. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #206

Add me to it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #222

Dick Cheney loves to attack the left as do JEB Jul 2013 #225

Exactly! Thanks. 20score Jul 2013 #227

I'm with you, sabrina 1! snot Jul 2013 #230

Greenwald is a libertarian, not a leftist. He's a tool of the Cato Institute pnwmom Jul 2013 #231

Some people think if they repeat a lie often enough it becomes truth whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #233

It's the truth that he's taken money from CATO and The American Conservative. pnwmom Jul 2013 #254

Of course you don't whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #257

I'll take GG's own assessment of where he stands on the political spectrum if you don't mind. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #234

Nothing about Greenwald's involvement with CATO has been debunked. pnwmom Jul 2013 #255

Of course it has. Every one of the feeble attacks on GG and of course all the other writers and sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #256

Isn't that where Obamacare came from? burnodo Jul 2013 #237

K&R midnight Jul 2013 #235

Add me to the list of members of "The Glenn Greenwald Left" Lonr Jul 2013 #246

Needed to be said, thanks for saying it! Rex Jul 2013 #250

Me too apparently, even tho I didn't know it because I have been the same liberal for forty years Dragonfli Jul 2013 #259

Lol, I know what you mean. When I was little, I was told to always consider the source sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #260

Considering the source, I feel like I have won a major award. Dragonfli Jul 2013 #261

Proud Supporter pmorlan1 Jul 2013 #262

Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #264

sabrina, you thought Anwar Al-Awlaki was a non-violent cleric who had been msanthrope Jul 2013 #265

Have you seen evidence of al-Awlaki's violent acts? Maedhros Jul 2013 #292

Yes. Google Rajib Karim and read about the emails between him and Awlaki msanthrope Jul 2013 #295

Thank you for the link - I had not seen that. Maedhros Jul 2013 #296

Why? Under the AUMF of 9/18/2001 Awlaki was no more entitled to a trial than msanthrope Jul 2013 #309

I have a differing opinion from yours. Maedhros Jul 2013 #310

Awlaki was a combatant....he was planning and directing terrorist attacks. Under msanthrope Jul 2013 #311

It is inappropriate to apply the same criteria used to define WWII "Combatants" with criminals. Maedhros Jul 2013 #312

It's not inappropriate...it's the law. Upheld repeatedly. However, for the sake of msanthrope Jul 2013 #314

Thank you, Sabrina, annabanana Jul 2013 #270

How did you confuse a Rand Paul acolyte with Progressive dog Jul 2013 #271

How about Al Franken, is a Paul acolyte too? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #287

Al Franken is not Glen Grenwald Progressive dog Jul 2013 #288

That wasn't the question. Franken has lavished praise on Rand Paul and is his sponsor in the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #289

Franken is NOT Rand Paul's sponsor in the Senate Progressive dog Jul 2013 #290

Please stop with the bald faced lying. Maedhros Jul 2013 #291

Paul was praised by Greenwald, a piece by Progressive dog Jul 2013 #293

When politicians take positions we disagree with, Maedhros Jul 2013 #298

Greenwald didn't condemn Paul on anything but he Progressive dog Jul 2013 #299

He was writing about how neither Romney nor Obama were addressing the war Maedhros Jul 2013 #301

Not just the anti-war stance, but you're starting to get it. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #303

Party labels mean little to me. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #304

An actual quote from Glenn Progressive dog Jul 2013 #294

But being anti-war, anti-surveillance-state, anti-crony-capitalism and anti-drug-war are good things Maedhros Jul 2013 #297

Of course I ignored Glenn's apologia, I Progressive dog Jul 2013 #302

I'm sure your approbrium causes Glenn to lose little sleep. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #305

Can you point out anything that is incorrect in that statement?? Have you checked Paul's voting sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #307

Just because you agree with Greenwald on Paul doesn't Progressive dog Jul 2013 #315

And just because you DON'T agree with all the Democrats who have worked with and praised sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #317

"All the democrats who have praised Paul" Progressive dog Jul 2013 #318

Thank you, you saved me the trouble. I see the goal posts have moved, no apology for spreading sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #306

I lurked for years and always appreciated your posts, Sabrina. Maedhros Jul 2013 #308

The combination of high reply count and high rec to reply ratio for this op Mc Mike Jul 2013 #272

Kick & Rec bobduca Jul 2013 #276

Lol, and the actual polls show that they are not. Two major polls this week show that now sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #283

Thanks, Sabrina. Great post! dgibby Jul 2013 #285

Kay and effin' Arrrr. nt hifiguy Jul 2013 #313

I'm a part of the "nuance, perspective, and sense of scale" left. WatermelonRat Jul 2013 #321

Dick Cheney isn't a malevolent puppet-master? Since when? Did he have a 'change of heart', well sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #322