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In reply to the discussion: Proud Member Of "The Glenn Greenwald Left" Here. [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Deng said. "It doesn't matter if the cat is black, or white, so long as it catches mice."
Mao said. "What capitalist told you that?"
Right and wrong are. They extend from the moral center of nearly every being. The arguments are easy to understand, and easy to pass along. The moral definition of right, and wrong, is one of those things that shifts through time. Yet, for some, the moral center does not apply. They act like you are talking gibberish when you mention the moral ideals of right and wrong. To them, the ends justify the means. Any means, no matter how repugnant, are acceptable so long as they get to the stated objective.
Privacy? No we don't need it. We need Security.
Torture? If it works, crank the voltage up. Ticking time bomb and all that nonsense.
More and more of us are finding problems with this crap. And here is the thing. Remember the old joke. The French Politician looks out the window and sees his people marching by and gasps. "Those are my people, I must find out where they are going and lead them."
Those who oppose this crap are nearly a majority all ready, and our Party stubbornly stays upstairs refusing to look out the window. But here is the thing, if we aren't careful, Rand Paul is going to lead that group to the White House. So we can get out there, and lead those people, or we can wait for someone else to do it. The issue isn't going away, no matter how often you insult Greenwald, or try and make the issue about Snowden, or his pole dancing girlfriend. The issue isn't going away just because you have character assassination forces in high gear on the messengers.
This does reflect badly on us, but it will reflect much worse on us if we don't get out there now, and lead the people to the moral right and wrong. Because if we don't, someone else will.