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struggle4progress

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22. Here's my run-down of the issues:
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:06 PM
Jul 2013

The prospect of a gigantic NSA infrastructure that could be abused to track anybody's social network should worry us

A good administration will tend to obey the law and respect privacy rights; a bad administration will tend to ignore the law and disregard privacy rights -- but when the infrastructure exists, the possibilities for serious abuse by a bad administration are much increased

The security-privacy trade-offs are extraordinarily complicated. We can state platitudes nobody in their right mind wants to trade enormous governmental intrusion for minor security gains, and similarly no one should want exposure to enormous security risks to avoid minimal governmental intrusion. Beyond such platitudes, the trade-offs may require judgments calls that simply reduce to pure opinion

Transparency is a good for democracy, and opaqueness often covers corruption, but the world is also a bit of a poker game, and it can be quite unwise to tip your full hand to all the other players. We either need to modify our laws to protect the sort of whistle-blowing that exposed the Bush administration's torture of prisoners and its illegal wiretapping activity, or we need a whistleblower protection movement with enough political clout to protect such people. On the other hand, activities such as Bradley Manning's release of 750K documents, the vast majority of which he cannot possibly have examined, and which he seems to have released for purely ideological reasons or perhaps because he was personally disturbed, do not really qualify as whistleblowing and do not deserve protection

Mr Snowden's activity has encouraged Americans to discuss some of these issues, though unfortunately his activities also seem to have had all manner of other effects, such as possibly alerting the Chinese to US infiltration of some Chinese nuclear weapons policy sites, which seems a clear violation of the law. My current guess is that Snowden is a technically-competent fellow but very green regarding international relations and counter-intelligence work. I incline to the view that he is well-intentioned, and I do not know what damage he has actually done. On the other hand -- unless one wants to say that nothing should be secret and that every short-term government contractor with a security clearance has the right to take what he learns on the job and use it to promote his own personal foreign policy -- we cannot really tolerate little escapades like Snowden's

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The definition of "terrorist" will expand to include all civil disobedience. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #1
What good is liberty if one must relinquish it in the name of safety? Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #2
I think most of us aren't just condemning Obama, but Bush and many other predecessors as well... cascadiance Jul 2013 #3
I am ok with the govt tracking me, as long as I can do the same with them The Straight Story Jul 2013 #4
Why didn't Snowden go through "Proper Channels"...LINK KoKo Jul 2013 #5
You asked. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #6
Okay thanks for your post but Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #7
You suck at this. The 'I came to characterize' agenda is far too clear, your lexicon Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #10
Thanks for the polite reply,.,. Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #13
I'm not interested in answering duplicity with kindness. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #14
Maybe you should learn to read..that might help Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #24
If you want to find terrorists inside the US, watch "our" terrorists the CIA lets in. Every major leveymg Jul 2013 #38
Where are these 'praises of Edward Snowden?' n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #8
Come on man..they are everywhere..he is a hero..to some and they have said it.. Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #9
Here at DU? Did you maybe mean Obama? leftstreet Jul 2013 #11
well I think if you check you will find Snowden refered to as a hero in several posts.... Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #12
Search function just finds snark 'hero' threads leftstreet Jul 2013 #16
Maybe you should learn to read..that might help Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #28
At least you have a solid go to. morningfog Jul 2013 #30
LOL. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #44
Only 2 of those were generated by DUers leftstreet Jul 2013 #45
Don't entertain it. That type of "I din't see nothing!" is a waste of time Number23 Jul 2013 #23
You got it...!!! now they just dont see what they were so full of last week.. Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #26
It is totally disingenuous and a quick google proves otherwise emulatorloo Jul 2013 #42
I posted one. bemildred Jul 2013 #15
Ah I saw that leftstreet Jul 2013 #17
About that, I can agree. bemildred Jul 2013 #19
There's too much confusion...I can't get no relief... kentuck Jul 2013 #18
They have you scared! It is working! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #20
what does that mean? he doesn't sound scared--just prudent Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #33
Lol, gullible much? n-t Logical Jul 2013 #47
I very happily added my name to the recommend list madokie Jul 2013 #21
I agree Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #25
Here's my run-down of the issues: struggle4progress Jul 2013 #22
Nice! Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #40
K&R. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #27
Thanks Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #29
"Tangible difference in their life" shouldn't be the measuring stick. morningfog Jul 2013 #34
excellent analysis and questions Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #31
Honestly if anyone on this thread cannot find others full of praise for Snowden then Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #32
When all else fails, compare them to rush! morningfog Jul 2013 #35
All else did not fail ..the Rush thing was a bonus! Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #36
You are working under the erroneous Waronterra, Inc. marketing assumptions. morningfog Jul 2013 #37
whatever.. Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #39
Boogey boogey boo! morningfog Jul 2013 #41
Don't let people tell you the praise hasn't been strong. This is just scratching the surface: AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #43
K&R. Excellent questions. great white snark Jul 2013 #46
Actually, they are not reading our emails and spying on us. jazzimov Jul 2013 #48
Carl Bernstein said it looks to him like the safeguards and restrictions at the NSA are good. randome Jul 2013 #49
Keep believing that if you like Savannahmann Jul 2013 #50
If one buys the company line then that's the train of thought. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #52
Thank you. lumpy Jul 2013 #51
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