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68. No true Scotsman...predicatble.

Reply to woo me with science (Reply #67)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 05:41 AM

Jul 2013

If you don't self-identify, then you must be "one of them!" :shudder:

The party is in trouble and has been for some time, but that isn't going to change with a snap of the fingers. Nor are claims that anyone who is a part of the party is involved in "ugly smears" for stating factual information. But, you are correct, "honesty isn't *completely* allowed just yet" because if that honesty includes painful observations, then it must be "the other" responsible. You give, and provide in your own post, the truth behind that statement. More than a few on the left (yes, I did it just because I could), fallaciously think "facts have a liberal bias." No, they don't. Facts are facts. They are neither liberal nor conservative. How they are used determines the bias, as seen in your post. Your poor attempts to paint me as something I am not is an excellent example of bias gone wild.

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First they called them the Loony Left... [View all] last1standing Jul 2013 OP

You've forgotten a few names there MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #1

I'm sure I've forgotten several. last1standing Jul 2013 #2

I had that happen in the morning nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #16

Yes, that one has appeared a lot around DU lately. Did the actual user of the epithet suffer any sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #28

#1 Go Vols Jul 2013 #3

LOL! I love Juror #5's comment. last1standing Jul 2013 #4

Except that isn't what Emanuel called liberals. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #6

"Rahm Apologizes for Privately Calling Liberal Activists 'Retarded'" last1standing Jul 2013 #8

A politcially forced apology for something he didn't say. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #10

We apparently have different views on what he meant. last1standing Jul 2013 #12

We have different views because you are seeing one thing, and I don't. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #15

I've had nearly five years to change my opinion of his insult and haven't yet. last1standing Jul 2013 #18

I am not trying to change your opinion. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #23

It's all good. last1standing Jul 2013 #26

I think what he said, whether directed at someone or not, was disgusting. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #30

We absolutely agree that the comment was disgusting. last1standing Jul 2013 #33

Exactly! The Warren thing is an excellent analogy! Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #35

Ah! I had no idea you were talking about my response to the juror post. last1standing Jul 2013 #37

But wasn't this fun!? Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #44

It was fun. last1standing Jul 2013 #52

As did anyone that wasn't as "fucking retarded" as he would paint us. Dragonfli Jul 2013 #22

Your post is stupid. n/t ronnie624 Jul 2013 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #31

Did you even read the article that you posted? jazzimov Jul 2013 #87

^^^^^^THIS, FOLKS!!!^^^^^^ The TRUTH! Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #89

>>>>>>>>>>READ THE POST I REPLIED TO<<<<<<<<<< Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #90

We've discussed your point in great detail elsewhere in this thread. last1standing Jul 2013 #96

"On the left" whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #27

Funny to see how easily they let it slip out RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #70

What Emmanuel actually said was even worse, imo, because it showed what the leadership of the party sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #32

But you are actually using the source correctly. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #34

Yes, you are correct regarding 'liberals' being the target of his remark. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #36

We're welcome in the party. last1standing Jul 2013 #39

Only at election time. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #48

Exactly. last1standing Jul 2013 #50

Because the centrists have taken over. It really is that simple! Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #42

Yes, that is true. The only way is to focus completely on getting good progressive dems elected sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #51

It ALWAYS comes down to money! Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #53

"The problem is some that are trying to redirect it are too far to the left..." Maedhros Jul 2013 #55

Actually, what I think may eventually happen is a break in both parties. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #56

"too far to the left" truebluegreen Jul 2013 #104

ALL of the greatest accomplishment in social advancement for over a 1,000 years Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #100

I see the movement to disenfranchise the left as a deliberate move rhett o rick Jul 2013 #102

Really. People "on the left" are dishonest? woo me with science Jul 2013 #59

People on the left can't be dishonest? Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #60

I haven't seen it as a major problem, no. woo me with science Jul 2013 #61

Because it has been people on the left who misrepresented the quote. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #62

No, you wrote a very short post accusing "many" on the left woo me with science Jul 2013 #65

No, that isn't what I wrote. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #66

The inevitable squirming and parsing of words. woo me with science Jul 2013 #67

No true Scotsman...predicatble. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #68

Also, I'm not really going anywhere. I just wanted to point out basic exclusionary tactics. last1standing Jul 2013 #5

O for christs sake, everyone knows the context, some Rahm admirer doesn't like the fucking truth Dragonfli Jul 2013 #11

Nicely rephrased. Can't believe some Center-Right asshole alerted on that. leveymg Jul 2013 #7

. Dragonfli Jul 2013 #9

.. last1standing Jul 2013 #13

I hope they do stick with the "Greenwald left" meme quinnox Jul 2013 #14

I'd definitely prefer to be a Greenwald leftie than a Cheney Democrat. last1standing Jul 2013 #24

I like the "Cheney Democrats" thing, it is catchy quinnox Jul 2013 #46

I figure if we're linked with various people because of one similar viewpoint they should be as well last1standing Jul 2013 #49

indeed quinnox Jul 2013 #54

Me too, I wonder why they even thought that would be an insult? I guess the Third Way sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #38

for sure, they don't understand a thing about what progressives/liberals think about quinnox Jul 2013 #43

Sabrina, you being called "a Republican fan-girl" made me spit up my tea when I read that Dragonfli Jul 2013 #45

"Then they called them Fucking Retards.." Scurrilous Jul 2013 #17

You're a day late and a dollar short. last1standing Jul 2013 #20

and three cents shy of a wooden nickel /nt Dragonfli Jul 2013 #47

No, we aren't planning to send you to concentration camps. We WILL warn you that you are marching struggle4progress Jul 2013 #19

Glad you appreciated my little poem. last1standing Jul 2013 #21

Perhaps if your 3rd-way faith had ever been proven right, or even not disastrously Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #75

Nope, still not sendin ya to a concentration camp, no matter how much you troll struggle4progress Jul 2013 #79

It was your bleating that prompted the response in the first place. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #85

I will never back down even when it means going against the democratic party. I am a liberal. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #40

I'm with you there. last1standing Jul 2013 #41

K&R NealK Jul 2013 #57

Awwww... SidDithers Jul 2013 #58

Thanks for the kick, Sid! last1standing Jul 2013 #64

The New Deal is still one of the defining moments of Liberal Democratic thinking. Ford_Prefect Jul 2013 #63

Jesus called NoPasaran Jul 2013 #69

What's the matter? last1standing Jul 2013 #72

Oh Did Jezus Get Tired Of Loaning It To You? n/t HangOnKids Jul 2013 #83

Excellent! Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #71

I wish there were some JoeyT Jul 2013 #73

You can't break "Godwin's Law". MNBrewer Jul 2013 #74

Why be ashamed of who you are railsback Jul 2013 #76

Did I mention shame? I don't think I did. Maybe you are projecting a bit? last1standing Jul 2013 #77

If it didn't perturb you railsback Jul 2013 #78

That has nothing to do with your first comment. last1standing Jul 2013 #81

Like I said... railsback Jul 2013 #84

LOL! That's the point. It's nothing like you said... last1standing Jul 2013 #86

Honestly, if you're comfortable with who you are railsback Jul 2013 #91

Then we're both guilty of that, aren't we? last1standing Jul 2013 #93

No they called you the ones who could dish it but not take it treestar Jul 2013 #80

I can't take it but you have to come in here and complain. last1standing Jul 2013 #82

DLC Democrats is another one people attack Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #88

Nothing wrong but the name, they used to be called republicans. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #92

I think there is a lot of meaningful policy difference separating DLC and Republicans Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #94

Oh yes, dozens of bad republican ideas that they abandoned when they became the Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #97

so that's all you've got? When did Republicans as a party champion gay rights? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #98

You've pointed out the theater of the whole clusterfuck right here. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #99

+1000 Cleita Jul 2013 #101

I have no problem with DLC Democrats but you might get an argument from others. last1standing Jul 2013 #95

that is nice to hear. Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #103

I DO have a problem with DLC "Democrats, bvar22 Jul 2013 #105

As I said, I'm very much against many DLC policies including the ones you mentioned. last1standing Jul 2013 #106