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ProSense

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15. Actually,

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 07:41 AM

Jul 2013

"If he had stayed in the US, he'd be detained now and charged under the Espionage Act."

...had Snowden remained in the country, he would likely have been charged and released on bail.

WASHINGTON — A federal grand jury in Washington has indicted a State Department analyst suspected of disclosing top-secret information about North Korea to Fox News, the third time the Obama administration has filed criminal charges accusing people of leaks to the news media.

The indictment, dated Aug. 19 and unsealed on Friday, named Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, 43, of McLean, Va., a specialist in nuclear proliferation who worked as a contractor for the State Department. Mr. Kim, who has worked as a high-level foreign affairs analyst for a decade for various federal agencies, is accused of disclosing the information in June 2009 and of lying to the F.B.I. in September 2009.

Mr. Kim, an American citizen, pleaded not guilty on Friday in Federal District Court before Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly and was released on $100,000 bond.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/28/world/americas/28leak.html

There are several whistleblowers who served no jail time.

If Snowden's case as a whistleblower is so strong, why is he afraid to face the consequences?
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Attitudes Shift Against Snowden; Fewer than Half Say NSA is Unjustified [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

Great job! It's working! EOTE Jul 2013 #1

Snowden ProSense Jul 2013 #2

This isn't about Snowden. It's about what the government is doing in our name. EOTE Jul 2013 #5

Snowden is a "hero." ProSense Jul 2013 #9

Bullshit, practically no one here considers Snowden a hero. EOTE Jul 2013 #10

. ProSense Jul 2013 #11

I know, your inanity and incapacity can be hilarious. EOTE Jul 2013 #12

"Bullshit, practically no one here considers Snowden a hero." ProSense Jul 2013 #14

And exactly ONE of those is from here. Thanks for making my point so well. EOTE Jul 2013 #16

Ooh, denial. ProSense Jul 2013 #18

So, you deny objective reality? EOTE Jul 2013 #19

Stop projecting. ProSense Jul 2013 #23

You found exactly one of them. EOTE Jul 2013 #28

actually.. Abukhatar Jul 2013 #91

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #94

Not only is it laughable madokie Jul 2013 #29

& There are sig lines with pics of little-too-young-to-shave ... eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #38

LOL Scurrilous Jul 2013 #108

really? madrchsod Jul 2013 #65

I know he did the right thing. EOTE Jul 2013 #68

"practically no one here considers Snowden a hero" dionysus Jul 2013 #86

I asked for examples and I got exactly one from DU. EOTE Jul 2013 #99

That post you're answering proving the point of your previous post Matariki Jul 2013 #128

People like "YOU"....really. sgtbenobo Jul 2013 #31

There was a reason it was in "quotes" ProSense Jul 2013 #37

Good Job! A quote comes to mind Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #76

Your comment brings "to mind" ProSense Jul 2013 #77

I am only complementing you on a successful methodology Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #78

No, your cheap tactic is a fail and you were not "complementing" anyone. ProSense Jul 2013 #79

It's easy to see you mastered the old techniques Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #81

Lame ProSense Jul 2013 #82

Wow, after all the complements too! Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #83

. ProSense Jul 2013 #84

.. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #85

Actually, the MSM did that when they failed so miserably in their journalistic duties NuclearDem Jul 2013 #121

Scary isn't it newfie11 Jul 2013 #25

It isn't working -- they asked a bogus question in order to get the response they wanted KurtNYC Jul 2013 #71

A push poll got the desired answer! Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #3

This is the point. Garbage data yields garbage results. Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #39

And the expected results. Igel Jul 2013 #90

More than just a push poll Babel_17 Jul 2013 #106

Actully, nothing has changed! Just the verbage mrdmk Jul 2013 #110

Here is the question that is being hyped mrdmk Jul 2013 #117

The vast majority of people know nothing more Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #4

Polls are ProSense Jul 2013 #6

LOL! Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #7

Polls are not indicative of right or wrong NoOneMan Jul 2013 #101

Deep! n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #102

Someone has to be NoOneMan Jul 2013 #103

Like ones suggesting attitudes are shifting against Snowden NuclearDem Jul 2013 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author newfie11 Jul 2013 #32

57% of those polled don't have their hair on fire... DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #8

If he had stayed in the US, he'd be detained now and charged under the Espionage Act. EOTE Jul 2013 #13

Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #15

You do know that the Obama administration has more Espionage Act prosecutions than all EOTE Jul 2013 #17

Being charged ProSense Jul 2013 #21

It means that this is the most hostile to whistle blowers in HISTORY. EOTE Jul 2013 #26

How many have they prosecuted? Hundreds, thousands? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #56

The grand total prior to this administration was 3. EOTE Jul 2013 #58

See ... it is almost triple. Just need 1 more to make it to police state status. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #60

What are you going on about? EOTE Jul 2013 #69

Nailed it bobduca Jul 2013 #95

To keep insisting marions ghost Jul 2013 #36

"Our government in the last decade thucythucy Jul 2013 #100

What a giant info dump...! marions ghost Jul 2013 #123

I don't know if it would be worse or not. thucythucy Jul 2013 #125

The Espionage Act is shit. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #53

And as an added bonus, NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #61

He might be out on bail treestar Jul 2013 #74

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #20

The Character Assassination Continues cantbeserious Jul 2013 #22

The deflection continues. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #24

The Defense Of Misdirection Continues cantbeserious Jul 2013 #27

The lame defense of deflection continues. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #30

The Lame Defense Of Misdirection Continues cantbeserious Jul 2013 #35

Lame, but thanks for kicking the thread. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #43

Thanks For Validating The Character Assassination cantbeserious Jul 2013 #46

LOL! ProSense Jul 2013 #47

Glad Too See That Character Assassination Is So Amusing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #92

Don't get in fights with posters with six-figure post counts. reformist2 Jul 2013 #93

Thats really a DUzy. bahrbearian Jul 2013 #98

why is that disruptor allowed to remain on DU, I wonder? grasswire Jul 2013 #104

Ah, Yes - Too True cantbeserious Jul 2013 #122

You're the one that's funny. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #96

So the "legal" NSA is 6% less popular than Bush's version was... Pholus Jul 2013 #33

Why do you think the attitudes are shifting? kentuck Jul 2013 #34

Likely because ProSense Jul 2013 #41

So people shifted their focus to Snowden and Greenwald? kentuck Jul 2013 #44

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #50

But didn't the polls go down on holding NSA accountable... kentuck Jul 2013 #55

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #63

But here is the meat of your post: kentuck Jul 2013 #64

Right, and it means attitudes are shifting. Don't you agree? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #70

But why? kentuck Jul 2013 #80

Wait ProSense Jul 2013 #97

You are right about one thing. kentuck Jul 2013 #124

So Prosense is pro domestic surveillance. Cannikin Jul 2013 #40

No, I'm not, but if it makes you feel better to think that, go right ahead. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #42

Cheerleading for the CIA & the Carlyle Group while ignoring their crimes is pathetic.... think Jul 2013 #45

That is what it amounts to marions ghost Jul 2013 #51

+1000 esp when the op was so against it when Bush was doing it. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #57

well of the Republicans win the White House they we il be back to extolling the virtues of a Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #113

Do you think this is a GOOD thing?: Hissyspit Jul 2013 #48

Yes, ProSense Jul 2013 #59

O.k. I see what you are saying. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #62

No links to your own posts? Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #49

You're astute! ProSense Jul 2013 #52

meh Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #54

I don't consider John2 Jul 2013 #67

Why are we even still talking about Snowden? djean111 Jul 2013 #72

so in your opinion , more Americans thinking it's ok tp SPY on ALL Americans bowens43 Jul 2013 #73

K&R sheshe2 Jul 2013 #75

Shifting attitudes.. raindaddy Jul 2013 #87

See? Your continual, repetitive catapulting of conservative propaganda is working! Zorra Jul 2013 #88

ABC news Washington post Maddana Gaga Calculus polynomial Jul 2013 #89

Change the question, change the results Babel_17 Jul 2013 #105

Well certainly more important to not ask questions and not get involved. Rex Jul 2013 #107

Read the Poll itself, NOT the propaganda AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #109

Um, ProSense Jul 2013 #111

Read the Poll Questions, not the analysis AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #114

As well as on Snowden AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #112

DU rec. great white snark Jul 2013 #115

Popularity contest are indeed, often indicative of little more than what's popular rather than what' LanternWaste Jul 2013 #116

Glenn Greenwald better hurry with that book. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #118

That would be a good idea railsback Jul 2013 #126

I told the Snowdenwald fanboys this would happen Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #119

It seems seeking asylum in Russia was the turning point. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #127

Who gives a shit? Downtown Hound Jul 2013 #129