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JoePhilly

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70. Either you can make a prediction, or not.

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:05 PM

Jul 2013

My prediction is that there will be no deal made to cut social security. None. It is not happening. And there will be no cuts passed into law while Obama is President. And that will be true even if the GOP takes control of the entire Congress.

Now ... folks on DU have been predicting a DEAL that would ACTUALLY CUT Social Security. They've been wrong every time.

Again, no such deal will be made this time. It will not happen.

Further ... I predict that President Obama will allow cuts to be part of the negotiation, and he'll pressure the GOP to be specific about such cuts -- declare what they want.

I also predict that congressional democrats will scream against SS cuts, and the smart ones will use "I will protect SS" as part of their 2014 campaigns.

Now ... if you are so sure Obama is going to make a deal that cuts SS, say so. Make the prediction. Feel free to also predict that he wants such cuts so bad, that he will go to the American people and argue for such cuts in an attempt to get such cuts passed following a deal.

But its not happening.

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Obama vs the Republicans on the economy is the main event this fall. People need to pick a side. [View all] geek tragedy Jul 2013 OP

I hope people realize that just being opposed to the President Peacetrain Jul 2013 #1

The stakes are incredibly important, I just hope people set aside ther personal issues geek tragedy Jul 2013 #2

As a Democrat.. the anti Democrats can Peacetrain Jul 2013 #3

This should be a no brainer Andy823 Jul 2013 #4

And what is the clue that makes you think the President is fighting for the 99%? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #5

You could not be more wrong if you tried. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #7

Obama has had many priorities that he's caved on. Dawgs Jul 2013 #136

What kind of action should he do to get Congress to fund these agencies geek tragedy Jul 2013 #139

How the fuck do I know. He's the President. Dawgs Jul 2013 #144

He's using the bully pulpit today. You support that? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #146

Why would I care about something that no one will see and won't lead to anything? n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #148

So, you think he needs to do something, but don't care if he does what he can geek tragedy Jul 2013 #150

Why is it my problem if he can't figure out how to do something. He's the President. Not me. Dawgs Jul 2013 #152

His leanings are defined by who he chooses to implement "his plan". rhett o rick Jul 2013 #138

This discussion is over funding levels. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #142

+1 nt OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #105

+2 Myrina Jul 2013 #129

It's the DNC that needs to understand this Proud Public Servant Jul 2013 #6

Not just the DNC--all Democrats. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #8

Yes, I know-- he's going to leverage the pain of sequestration to push his "Grand Bargain" again. Marr Jul 2013 #9

So, your plan is to ignore the Republicans and oppose Obama geek tragedy Jul 2013 #10

So your plan is to cut Social Security? Marr Jul 2013 #14

Eh, if you can't support Obama when he's fighting to preserve geek tragedy Jul 2013 #16

I've noticed a pattern with these sales pitches. Marr Jul 2013 #25

Who asked you to support Social Security cuts? I'm talking about SPENDING geek tragedy Jul 2013 #28

Don't be coy. You're saying people need to "pick a side". Marr Jul 2013 #33

Obama is making a case this summer for a vision of government that includes geek tragedy Jul 2013 #39

LOL, "A vision of government that includes these kinds of programs"? Marr Jul 2013 #41

Because government is a dynamic not a static process. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #48

This nonsense again. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #19

It may or not happen-- that is unknowable. What is knowable is that Obama made the offer, and Marr Jul 2013 #35

Not happening. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #42

Here's a very easy way to tell which of us is full of shit. Marr Jul 2013 #52

Either you can make a prediction, or not. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #70

No one can know what deal will actually be *passed*. Marr Jul 2013 #106

Pick a side for what? Kickball? We are on the downhill slide of his term. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #11

Do you support the Obama funding levels for those programs geek tragedy Jul 2013 #13

Indifferent. Why should I care about a person that cannot fight the big fights? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #17

Then it's not about the issues for you, it's about your contempt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #20

He is doing quite well on his own, destroying items that we as Democrats care about, thankyou. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #21

You don't care about funding the EPA, Labor Department, developing geek tragedy Jul 2013 #22

Sadly, you just described many on this site. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #249

What?! You have to support the con! Marr Jul 2013 #31

So your prediction is that a deal to cut SS is about to happen, right? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #50

The Bush tax cuts for high incomes did get repealed after the election. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #53

By "People" you mean "me", right? I suspect you don't mean Obama. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #12

If you are indifferent as to whether the EPA gets gutted, then sure geek tragedy Jul 2013 #15

I won't buy the package deal. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #18

Well said...I don't think I'm on either side other than for 'the people'... haikugal Jul 2013 #228

But they're all just pretending to be against each other. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #23

The federal budget is a game for grownups to pay attention to. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #24

If he calls for anything less than utopia, he's corporatist scum AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #27

People are actually explicitly stating they don't care if the EPA budget gets geek tragedy Jul 2013 #30

Being from coal country, with the highest cancer rates in the nation... AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #36

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #161

+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #197

I think I love you again. Just a little bit... Number23 Jul 2013 #250

Calling your fellow Democrats "children" is real mature... YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #254

If people refuse to side with Obama against geek tragedy Jul 2013 #260

My side is my couch NoOneMan Jul 2013 #26

Okay, another person who doesn't give a fuck about the environment geek tragedy Jul 2013 #29

The environment? NoOneMan Jul 2013 #38

We've established that you don't care about what happens in the real world, only geek tragedy Jul 2013 #45

You've established that you like to pretend to know what people care about NoOneMan Jul 2013 #57

We're talking about federal spending. Actual, real world substance. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #67

I am indifferent about this dog and pony show NoOneMan Jul 2013 #75

Yes, your nihilism has been well established. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #78

There are 8 billion equally incompetent people in this world NoOneMan Jul 2013 #100

If you're so indifferent about it all, why the fuck Zoeisright Jul 2013 #127

Just to piss you off NoOneMan Jul 2013 #151

I Trust Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #32

One doesn't need to trust him to recognize the obvious truth that his budget geek tragedy Jul 2013 #55

+1 ismnotwasm Jul 2013 #34

++1 DCBob Jul 2013 #46

Umm...this is Democratic Underground, we don't need to pick sides. Rex Jul 2013 #37

Besides, we already faxed in our loyalty pledges NoOneMan Jul 2013 #40

Several people have said they're indifferent between Paul Ryan's budget and Obama's. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #43

Oh haven't seen that, ugh. Rex Jul 2013 #54

People say they're indifferent about the differences in spending for the EPA, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #59

You have not seen that because it is not there to be seen. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #62

I would like to see where someone said that Rex Jul 2013 #65

Here is what the poster said to you: Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #80

Several? Where? Cite them with quotes. Your characterizations are not quotes. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #56

Who said that? Marr Jul 2013 #69

link and verbatim quotes geek tragedy Jul 2013 #83

I read that differently. Marr Jul 2013 #102

The question was clear, the answer was clear. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #104

Of course that's not the full quote, of course. And also you claimed 'several' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #103

People have said they're indifferent regarding the spending levels geek tragedy Jul 2013 #109

No they haven't. haikugal Jul 2013 #230

My side is neither side, I'm afraid. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #44

Another de facto vote for the Paul Ryan budget. Awesome nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #47

Oh, please. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #92

Let me ask this again: in the upcoming budget fight geek tragedy Jul 2013 #96

And, again, I say Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #112

You do know we don't get to vote on this stuff, right? djean111 Jul 2013 #154

So, why post here at all then? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #157

For the information about politics and other things. djean111 Jul 2013 #164

Join me on the couch! NoOneMan Jul 2013 #60

Are you on the fence? Do you sometimes vote for Republians? I sure as hell don't but Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #49

I have never voted for a Republican in my entire lifetime. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #51

Are many of your fellow centrists on the fence? I just don't get where your whole Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #71

We have people in here saying they're indifferent to the amount of money geek tragedy Jul 2013 #76

Note that I am asking you questions about you and your allies. You do not respond. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #95

Examples of "Obama/Ryan budgets, I don't care" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #98

You edited that quote to your tastes and it sure is not 'several people said this' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #107

I do not consider people who are indifferent between 0% and 34% cuts to the EPA geek tragedy Jul 2013 #111

And you have one person who didn't really say that, you claim several people said Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #137

"Maybe it is too damn bad Romney wasn't elected. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #101

You forgot Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Hamsher, Snowden, Chomsky, Hedges,....... Fuddnik Jul 2013 #74

Someone in here--purportedly from the left--wishes Mitt Romney had won. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #82

you've exposed the bitter people exquisitely. dionysus Jul 2013 #245

+1 nt Zorra Jul 2013 #87

I wish there were more than two sides on this. Apophis Jul 2013 #58

If Obama wins Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #84

What does he win? Apophis Jul 2013 #175

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #61

"Maybe it is too damn bad Romney wasn't elected" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #72

Too bad you don't have a time machine JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #77

That's ALL you got out of this? Amazing. nt matthews Jul 2013 #86

Some have comprehension issues. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #93

+1 Willfully so. woo me with science Jul 2013 #110

To put one issue to rest, I am a Liberal Democrat matthews Jul 2013 #115

I do not believe you. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #117

And I don't care what you believe. nt matthews Jul 2013 #120

Let's see, someone who joined one week ago and has already geek tragedy Jul 2013 #122

You have reading comprehension problems. It isn't a PREFERENCE for matthews Jul 2013 #147

Oh, so you're one of those people who's ignorant of the differences geek tragedy Jul 2013 #149

There's only ONE ignorant person involved in this 'discussion' and it sure matthews Jul 2013 #153

I've seen plenty of morons post that Obama=Bush. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #156

Let us know when you're inducted into MENSA. Until then I'll just say, matthews Jul 2013 #165

you Better Believe It! nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #168

I do believe it. And I'm glad you agree with what I posted matthews Jul 2013 #170

Your sneaking suspicions all turn out to be false, so probably not. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #171

And you opinion is worth more than someone else's because________________ matthews Jul 2013 #172

oh burn, i'm so humiliated. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #173

And I'm so (un)impressed. nt matthews Jul 2013 #191

Well, you can always follow your hero Mitt for inspiration. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #192

Good God, you're obtuse. nt matthews Jul 2013 #194

Why is it that you and alot of your pals Puglover Jul 2013 #176

that person started at DU by attacking an Obama supporter geek tragedy Jul 2013 #178

As are new posters who immediatly attack other Democrats on this site Puglover Jul 2013 #180

The person that individual attacked is a long-time DUer. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #181

So alert Mirt. Puglover Jul 2013 #182

Eh, one of two things will happen. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #183

For one, I didn't attack and the post got hidden. Which was okay. matthews Jul 2013 #196

I didn't 'attack' anyone. I just found it almost impossible to matthews Jul 2013 #193

You have 234 posts in a week. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #195

So? I'm aiming to be a one hundred thousand posts on record timers. matthews Jul 2013 #198

'you people?' geek tragedy Jul 2013 #200

Yep. Now tie that in with Mitt and the Tea Party. I'll give you matthews Jul 2013 #203

It was a refreshing moment of candor from you, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #205

Critical thinking is definitely NOT your strong point. nt matthews Jul 2013 #209

Cheer up. You can always volunteer for Jindal in 2016. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #212

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #213

So what Puglover Jul 2013 #217

Nothing wrong with it, the person was expressing amazement geek tragedy Jul 2013 #218

I believe her. woo me with science Jul 2013 #128

Of course you do. I bet you also think Obama did the same stuff geek tragedy Jul 2013 #130

The spying Obama is presiding over woo me with science Jul 2013 #140

Thank you. Thank you very much. And I'm glad that someone matthews Jul 2013 #155

So, you're completely ignorant of US history as well. Figured as much. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #174

Ah! Now its the Teahaddists. Whatever you say Kreskin. matthews Jul 2013 #201

You think I've never seen a purity troll before? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #202

I don't really think you have any clue as to what or who you've seen before. nt matthews Jul 2013 #204

The rest was boiler plate Obama hatred and the usual lies geek tragedy Jul 2013 #116

You wish. The truth must make you feel really insecure. You matthews Jul 2013 #119

I think the debate is over JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #123

No, you are just lying when it comes to the claim that Obama committed the crimes geek tragedy Jul 2013 #125

And you are? Constantly supporting acts and policies that are hurtful and matthews Jul 2013 #132

Your claim that Obama committed the crimes that forced Nixon out geek tragedy Jul 2013 #134

Whoa, you'd better take something before you have an episode and matthews Jul 2013 #141

Heh. I guess vague speculation is preferable to outright mendacity nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #143

Thanks geek JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #121

Shh. We are supposed to pretend woo me with science Jul 2013 #113

Ground Hog's Day. What a PERFECT analogy. I wish I was matthews Jul 2013 #118

Excellent post DJ13 Jul 2013 #131

Thank you. nt matthews Jul 2013 #133

who were you last time? dionysus Jul 2013 #237

What the hell is wrong with you? I'm me.Always have been. matthews Jul 2013 #243

sure pal. dionysus Jul 2013 #244

Ha ha. I'd hate to be that insecure. On a message board? matthews Jul 2013 #246

how are supposed to make the Republicans pay? G_j Jul 2013 #63

If people realize how badly the Republicans' budget would screw them, they'll geek tragedy Jul 2013 #73

so you are talking about educating people G_j Jul 2013 #88

At the same time, people need to understand that their local Republican geek tragedy Jul 2013 #91

The problem is they are both on the side of cuts and austerity vi5 Jul 2013 #64

+ 1000 djean111 Jul 2013 #68

They are not on the same side. We're talking about the entire structure geek tragedy Jul 2013 #89

Yes, and I support that structure and want it strengthened. vi5 Jul 2013 #159

Obama has not pursued austerity--he pursued aggressive deficit spending geek tragedy Jul 2013 #162

Once the Republicans and the media decided austerity was the way to go.... vi5 Jul 2013 #167

I don't think he's going to appoint Summers. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #169

I find it amazing that anyone thinks what "side" we choose makes a damned bit of difference. djean111 Jul 2013 #66

I'll always take the Democratic party side. But will Obama? nt Zorra Jul 2013 #79

it is time to give up on DU for activism against Republicans, geek tragedy emulatorloo Jul 2013 #81

This is a site for people who are anti-everything, not those who geek tragedy Jul 2013 #85

I'm on the side that is against cuts to safety nets, against a bloated military budget Autumn Jul 2013 #90

One side is significantly closer to what you want than the other. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #94

This is where their false equivalency succumbs to COLD HARD FACTS. great white snark Jul 2013 #97

I hear you greek tragedy! Iliyah Jul 2013 #99

The only "side" I am on is the American People. Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #108

I think we should support the parts of his agenda that we . . . support. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #114

Probably almost all of us would oppose those draconian cuts. But we should not totodeinhere Jul 2013 #124

Well said. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #126

Do we have any Democrats in Congress? Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #135

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #145

Sorry, this is DU... SidDithers Jul 2013 #158

^^^^^^^^^ THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE^^^^^^^^^ pkdu Jul 2013 #227

You nailed it, Sid. And then they'll sit back with their mouths open wondering why no one Number23 Jul 2013 #251

I fully support the President in this. octoberlib Jul 2013 #160

The choice is between fascism (Republicans) and center-right policy (Dems). Only the HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #163

You're espousing 'Center-right' policy? Really? nt matthews Jul 2013 #166

Whenever one's choices include voting against fascism (or neo-fascism), as will be the HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #189

Democracy. As it was meant to be.nt matthews Jul 2013 #190

Your opinion is noted. LWolf Jul 2013 #177

This isn't about who you like better or dislike less geek tragedy Jul 2013 #179

You're right there. LWolf Jul 2013 #186

There are parts of his agenda I support, and parts I oppose, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #187

Perhaps Obama should stop kicking his troops MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #184

Obama doesn't have any 'troops', and he's not kicking anyone in the teeth. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #185

Not any more, he doesn't. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #188

LOL! ProSense Jul 2013 #206

. dionysus Jul 2013 #211

Must be true if you say it, "Crossroads" Manny. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #222

and like moths to a flame, the disgruntled former dems and greens bleat against your dionysus Jul 2013 #199

+1. You Better Believe it! FSogol Jul 2013 #208

K&R Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #207

why you kickin me!?!? PUT EM UP11!!! dionysus Jul 2013 #210

I'm already under attack from the ASS-Wald/OathKeeping Snowdenistas, I don't wanna... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #216

for that i'ma gonna knock the ice cream cone out of your hand!11 *thwap* dionysus Jul 2013 #224

Now who's gonna clean that up, ya big ol' meanie! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #233

! dionysus Jul 2013 #236

IDK how Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #214

Same thinking as someone who believes that if you put an ice cube geek tragedy Jul 2013 #215

What do you mean "pick a side"? D23MIURG23 Jul 2013 #219

No, but when Obama lays out a contrast with the Republicans in terms of geek tragedy Jul 2013 #220

By doing what exactly? You didn't answer my question. n/t D23MIURG23 Jul 2013 #221

Dunno, what do activists usually do? emulatorloo Jul 2013 #223

I'll do that when Obama gives me some reason to. D23MIURG23 Jul 2013 #225

Cool, you'll love the Teabag Budget then! emulatorloo Jul 2013 #234

If my war metaphor is ridiculous hyperbole, then fighting clearly isn't worth my time. D23MIURG23 Jul 2013 #238

Your post title is incoherent emulatorloo Jul 2013 #247

Nate Silver: Senate Control in 2014 Increasingly Looks Like a Tossup PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #226

Both sides want to cut Social Security. I'm on the side of the 99% which Obama is NOT. forestpath Jul 2013 #229

what a steaming pile of elephant shit. nt dionysus Jul 2013 #239

You are too kind in your analysis n/t emulatorloo Jul 2013 #248

This needs to get cut. Of course the repukes won't do that. muntrv Jul 2013 #231

Which Side... Would That Be ??? - Which One Works For Us ??? WillyT Jul 2013 #232

Clearly the teabaggers! emulatorloo Jul 2013 #235

The math was too hard for you? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #241

Nah... I Realize You And Your Buddies Are Having Fun Here... WillyT Jul 2013 #242

I support President Obama AC_Mem Jul 2013 #240

Ah, the Loyalty Oath deamands. . . Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #252

No, try one month. Federal budget. Next time geek tragedy Jul 2013 #256

Oh, please. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #259

No, it's fucking reality. Budget debate is very real. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #261

You guys are such onesies. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #262

Sorry the federal budget is too adult of a topic geek tragedy Jul 2013 #263

I'll pass YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #253

John Boehner appreciates your complacency. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #257

Where is the president's plan? Doctor_J Jul 2013 #255

Obama released his budget months ago. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #258