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riqster

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51. Not hardly. I am talking about repealing SYG, not CCW.

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 03:38 PM

Jul 2013

SYG muddies the water. Without it, a CCW permit holder can shoot in self-defense, but the rules on deadly force follow existing laws to a greater extent.

Oh, and I have lived and worked in a lot of bad places. And have dealt with all sorts of criminals, armed and otherwise. And never needed a gun to come out alive.

Yes, criminal types are out there. They always have been and always will be. There have been and are laws regarding our right to self-defense with clear guidelines as to the use of deadly force.

All I am saying is, ditch SYG and go back to what works.

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�Stand Your Ground� Has Got to F***ing Go. [View all] riqster Jul 2013 OP

good article smallcat88 Jul 2013 #1

Good point! riqster Jul 2013 #2

Trayvon Martin would of went to jail NoOneMan Jul 2013 #3

The Rude Pundit pointed out the racial disparity riqster Jul 2013 #6

The facts show otherwise. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #22

Facts and Hyperbole don't play well together. GlashFordan Jul 2013 #30

Oh another 'emotional' charge ala Rush Limbaugh Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #32

or easier to look at twisted data to look at facts...PS...the posters data is twisted. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #37

How, precisely? Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #55

Because you're showing a small subset vs the LARGER ones.. link inside uponit7771 Jul 2013 #59

Thank you very much for the reply! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #60

Trayvon Martin wouldn't have made it to jail csziggy Jul 2013 #31

Why didn't that happen to the 12 other blacks who killed whites... GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #35

So you think there's NO disparity?! NONE at all? You live in the US?! regards uponit7771 Jul 2013 #38

Look at the numbers. Blacks use SYG too. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #61

The number of whites allowed to claim self far far out number those of blacks by the hundreds of % uponit7771 Jul 2013 #66

There are many more White people than Black people. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #72

Talking about the PBS study, not it's offshoots uponit7771 Jul 2013 #86

I normally dont agree with you on other issues darkangel218 Jul 2013 #4

Agreement is a good thing. riqster Jul 2013 #5

Count me a second one Aerows Jul 2013 #8

People of good will can disagree riqster Jul 2013 #10

Agreed :) Aerows Jul 2013 #11

protest ALEC in chicago aug 8. ALEC = author of syg. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #7

They and the NRA. nt riqster Jul 2013 #9

Excellent. ALEC has got to go, too. Their involvement with the private prison DevonRex Jul 2013 #12

*yawn* krispos42 Jul 2013 #13

Stop bringing troublesome facts into emotional rants! Lurks Often Jul 2013 #14

The jury instructions included SYG. riqster Jul 2013 #15

You mean that both Martin and Zimmerman had the right to be there? n/t krispos42 Jul 2013 #16

No, the judge specifically referenced SYG. nt riqster Jul 2013 #17

The judge did. krispos42 Jul 2013 #40

The jury got the instructions they needed to acquit and they were SYG instructions. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #21

Not true. The 2005 SYG law changed Florida's definition of self-defense. Hoyt Jul 2013 #27

You'd think that the gun nutters would have given up on that lie by now. EOTE Jul 2013 #34

Duty to be raped. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #18

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #39

Don't you have to be physically assaulted before SYG can kick in? joeglow3 Jul 2013 #19

The Rules of Engagement under SYG laws are nebulous. riqster Jul 2013 #20

Do you have an example of a properly designed civillian ROE? nt rrneck Jul 2013 #23

As said already riqster Jul 2013 #29

So rrneck Jul 2013 #33

That's the point, innit? riqster Jul 2013 #36

I don't see an ROE there. rrneck Jul 2013 #41

As I said, that is the point. Where there are no such boundaries, no ROE is possible. riqster Jul 2013 #42

I updated the previous post. rrneck Jul 2013 #43

By electing democrats, for one thing. riqster Jul 2013 #44

Well, rrneck Jul 2013 #49

Not hardly. I am talking about repealing SYG, not CCW. riqster Jul 2013 #51

The laws that existed before SYG rrneck Jul 2013 #52

With respect, that is not the case. riqster Jul 2013 #54

Required? rrneck Jul 2013 #58

So the right to self defense is only for government "professionals"? Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #45

Weaken it? Not a bit of it. riqster Jul 2013 #46

So tell me Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #50

I can answer them all with something you should already know. riqster Jul 2013 #53

I am glad it worked out for you Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #56

Yes, I was backed into the doorway of a closed building. So disengagement was not possible. riqster Jul 2013 #57

The trick to using a gun in self-defense is situational awareness. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #63

Actually, CA has 'stand your ground' without a codified law as such. X_Digger Jul 2013 #64

SYG is not recent at all. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #62

Please provide documentation of this claim. riqster Jul 2013 #65

Runyon v. State (Indiana, 1877) X_Digger Jul 2013 #67

That is different from the new, ALEC-based SYG. riqster Jul 2013 #69

You are mistaken. The standard in all such laws is the 'reasonable person'. X_Digger Jul 2013 #71

Actually, it is you that are mistaken. riqster Jul 2013 #75

California does not have a law with that title, but all juries in homicide cases that assert SD X_Digger Jul 2013 #76

"Feelings" won't cut it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #74

OK. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #68

See my reply above. riqster Jul 2013 #70

They aren't any different. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #73

You just contradicted yourself. riqster Jul 2013 #83

Well done. N/T Just Saying Jul 2013 #78

The rules of self-defense still have to be met. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #26

You can RUN, my dear HockeyMom Jul 2013 #79

Sometimes running is good tactics, sometimes it is not. ManiacJoe Jul 2013 #80

Assuming you DON'T have a gun, HockeyMom Jul 2013 #81

Running is not ALWAYS the best option, even when unarmed. ManiacJoe Jul 2013 #82

I can't run. I have a disability. I can walk, but at a moderate pace. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #85

SYG ... napkinz Jul 2013 #24

what SYG really stands for ... napkinz Jul 2013 #25

There not only is a racial divide in this county, HockeyMom Jul 2013 #84

Recced. nt livingwagenow Jul 2013 #28

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #47

kr HiPointDem Jul 2013 #48

I agree. The SYG law needs to go. Apophis Jul 2013 #77