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65. oh I think mind prison/mind fuck is right on the mark

Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:53 AM

Jul 2013

the girlfriend in the novel was a really nice prostitute who talked him into confessing his crime, without which they never could have pinned the murder on him. but she moved to Siberia with him to be close to him while he did his several years of labor and I think they settled down in Siberia once he got out. So yeah, there is all kinds of weird and creepy messages one could infer by the "lawyer" guy's comment about learning who the protagonist is.

I would be shitting brick if I were Snowden and I realized holy shit am I really about to defect to Russia and eat borscht with washerwoman. Though I can see a kind of more up to date mind prison where he is forced to be on some Russian reality TV show with Anna Chapman. Paraded around like a monkey on a chain.

One could really, and someone will, write volumes of Snowden/Raskolnikov comparisons. Now that KGB lawyer guy has tossed it out there.

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Snowden's Russian lawyer Anatoly Kucherena spoke to the state-owned channel Russia Today [View all] flamingdem Jul 2013 OP

It doesn't bode well when the guy working to get you out of the airport brings you three books. morningfog Jul 2013 #1

Yes I think that's going on, and may be the reason for the delay flamingdem Jul 2013 #2

three gigantic russian epics at that nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #5

Oh well yes this is funny, they're so long! flamingdem Jul 2013 #9

it wouldn't be a confidence booster arely staircase Jul 2013 #13

Maybe he should bring him a cookbook flamingdem Jul 2013 #15

Yukk! WTF is that? And is it floating in beet juice? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #19

Hi, a Russian here. It's called borscht and you are correct, it is beet root. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #27

I hope you weren't offended, but YUKK!!! It's probably because I despise.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #31

I think it would be a good idea for you to defect to England flamingdem Jul 2013 #35

In England, I'd be restricted to this: Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #52

I cook a wicked shepards pie.. HipChick Jul 2013 #74

Stop it! Now I want one. A whole one! My dear departed friend, Marilyn, Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #78

HipChick, I meant to ask you if you ever watched the show "Two Fat Ladies"? I loved it, but... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #119

i make mine in pie tins with a bottom crust. dionysus Jul 2013 #101

Et tu, dion? Why are you guys torturing me? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #112

OMG BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #111

Who can hate peas? It's treason! That's what it is! Up with peas! Down with beets! Pea Lovers... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #113

spotted dick arely staircase Jul 2013 #69

Not offended at all. It comes in many variations, hot, cold, potatoes, tomatoes, etc. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #38

I could handle the tea DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #56

OMG, a kindred spirit...! I was traumatized by beets as a very small child! MADem Jul 2013 #50

MADem, we are, as you say, "kindred spirits". My Mom has a lot to answer for. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #55

let me say i actually like beets arely staircase Jul 2013 #40

My Gramma used to pickle 'em. They were still yukky! My mom tried... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #45

There's a chemical in beets laundry_queen Jul 2013 #76

Oh no you didn't! You've started a war! I love some "green peas". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #80

well whadya know, I'm a Ukie from Canada as well. Whisp Jul 2013 #94

mmmm. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #97

I make 'lazy holubchi' sometimes. Whisp Jul 2013 #98

Perogies! Oh, Whisp. bunnies Jul 2013 #100

It is really good, IF you like beets. It comes in many variations, especially as JaneyVee Jul 2013 #46

Borscht is delicious, and I love beets. But then, I pretty much love all vegetables and fruits. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #79

I sometimes make borscht. It's delicious! Whisp Jul 2013 #93

что мой друг flamingdem Jul 2013 #28

Borscht - and it looks delicious! karynnj Jul 2013 #107

I'm sorry kary, but I gotta go with my gut here. And my gut's telling me....YUKKKKK!!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #114

Wonderful authors. I read a kabillion Russian novels in my teens. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #53

I have only read Crime and Punishment, I am ashame to say. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #57

And one of them is "CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?" MADem Jul 2013 #36

which is priceless arely staircase Jul 2013 #43

Check this out Raskolnikov who killed the nice grandma aka his Motherland! (Crime and Pnshmnt) flamingdem Jul 2013 #54

he kills her, goes to prison camp and is redeemed in the end arely staircase Jul 2013 #62

As in, comply with our prison of your mind while we drain your laptops and flamingdem Jul 2013 #63

oh I think mind prison/mind fuck is right on the mark arely staircase Jul 2013 #65

Anna is there for him flamingdem Jul 2013 #70

Aha you picked up on that flamingdem Jul 2013 #60

Especially ones as long as Crime and Punishment! karynnj Jul 2013 #105

I just watched Harvey Fierstein on LO, and I'm scared to be on the same.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #3

oh oh, I hear a dim and distance sound of GGs Ca-Ching... Whisp Jul 2013 #4

A well deserved ending for that sniveling idiot. This is not turning out..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #10

GG is busy on twitter equating Obama with Michelle Bachman flamingdem Jul 2013 #16

everyone in this whole mess has become a parody of themselves arely staircase Jul 2013 #20

The Free Beacon story was posted here earlier saying that Snowden flamingdem Jul 2013 #25

yeah i saw that. gonna wait on a better source but it is totally plausible arely staircase Jul 2013 #33

They are so turning him into mega defector! flamingdem Jul 2013 #34

the whole KGB lawyer thing is just amazing arely staircase Jul 2013 #7

"Freak Show" is a gross understatement. After extolling the virtues of Vlad.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #18

GG isn't going to utter a peep. After all Eddie might hit the jackpot as did Philip Agee when he got flamingdem Jul 2013 #21

I think he was fed a whole pack of lies by Greenwald and his ilk... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #51

+1. While Glenn sits in his comfy abode, surrounded by lush greenery, and Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #58

Yup! He's safe and sound... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #71

It may come later, but I haven't gotten to "feeling bad for Snowie" yet. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #72

Well I said kinda for a reason... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #73

Agreed. He admitted he broke the law, which is why he fled. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #75

If he owned up to it, and returned, or didn't flee, his image would be better... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #77

Steve Clemons pretty much said that tonight on LO's show. He was an early.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #81

That's what happens in an echo chamber... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #82

You mean like his KGB lawyer? Talk about a propaganda coup. I know the G-20 Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #83

It's a clusterfuck... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #84

Ditto! Fierstein is really upset about what's going down in Russia re: LGBT. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #85

Which makes this whole ordeal all the much odder... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #87

And I love Fierstein! He guest starred on The Simpsons years ago and it's one of my favorites... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #89

Again, I gotta agree with you. It makes no sense for Snowden to make that.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #91

I'm picturing something like this... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #92

!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #115

Here's the quote from Snowden's statement: snappyturtle Jul 2013 #103

The poll is interesting because we see that people are pretty patriotic flamingdem Jul 2013 #104

Exactly. But this has been the case all along. An equal number of people thought Snowie's..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #116

Was glad to see Clemmon change his tune, he was so enamored of Snowball flamingdem Jul 2013 #102

I'm sorry, but Clemons was gettin' on eff'n nerves. His idea is to let Snowie fade into history in Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #117

You know I agree but don't want to pound the conspiracy line flamingdem Jul 2013 #118

Comrade Eddie at this point is better off at sucking it up and coming home.. HipChick Jul 2013 #12

no kidding he is gonna be pulling a plow like a mule on a beet farm on the Volga. arely staircase Jul 2013 #17

yep..lords know what will happen to him in Russia...he'll prob be on their version of HipChick Jul 2013 #22

Or just finding a corner of "The Terminal" and putting down a sleeping bag! MADem Jul 2013 #64

Any hot Aeroflot woman will surely be Russian security like his lawyer and everyone else in his life arely staircase Jul 2013 #67

Yeah, where IS Mister Fix It? I wonder if Ecuador is turning up the heat in the London Embassy? nt MADem Jul 2013 #68

I'd be screaming to get hell outta Mother Russia ASAP! I wish I could.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #23

I would be very interested...I think Comrade Eddie will not come to a good end there HipChick Jul 2013 #24

"press scum"? That's a little Cha Jul 2013 #6

i can't wait until the definitive book on all this (and not greenwald's self serving bs) arely staircase Jul 2013 #8

No, this is much stranger than fiction! Cha Jul 2013 #30

As Scurrilous says now can we stop using the term authoritarian on DU? flamingdem Jul 2013 #11

I doubt they will stop but we can Cha Jul 2013 #41

He'll be the mascot flamingdem Jul 2013 #44

and the guy is straight out of central casting arely staircase Jul 2013 #49

And you can tell he's never touched Vodka in his life! flamingdem Jul 2013 #61

He looks like William Shatner's uglier, redder brother. n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #95

Too true, like Shatner after a day on the beach in Malibu! flamingdem Jul 2013 #106

he is full of beets and vodka. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #110

Hey Cha, you old "authoritarian" you! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #59

Yep, me and this guy.. Cha Jul 2013 #86

Ick! He looks like a real paragon of "human rights" protections, don't he? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #88

Yes! And, more than willing to shower Cha Jul 2013 #90

That's press scrum, with an 'r'...meaning a group, throng, mob pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #14

yeah..like in a Rugby scrum HipChick Jul 2013 #26

I've never heard scrum flamingdem Jul 2013 #32

It's kinda like having a bit of hows your father HipChick Jul 2013 #39

That's a weird one! flamingdem Jul 2013 #47

Omg..it always meant a quick shag.. HipChick Jul 2013 #66

Oy, I misread.. thanks for the correction, pinboy~ Cha Jul 2013 #42

History is vital. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #29

they are all great books by great writers arely staircase Jul 2013 #37

you love commas :) snooper2 Jul 2013 #99

Some of 'em are scum...but it's a press scrum (like a throng, crowd, or gaggle!). MADem Jul 2013 #48

Mahalo for that, MADem.. I was reading it too fast Cha Jul 2013 #96

I think he has to leak and promote Russia for food flamingdem Jul 2013 #108

Don't tell Cha Jul 2013 #120

I liked the interview very much. Some interesting points about snappyturtle Jul 2013 #109