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woo me with science

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50. I can't stay in character, Josh.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:53 AM
Jul 2013

Last edited Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:33 AM - Edit history (1)

Not in response to that absurdity: Congress is forcing Obama to negotiate the TPP.

That's the most absurd, desperate reach I've read all day.

And your demand to me is equally absurd, given that we have spent the past four YEARS talking about the things Obama could be doing, including bringing legitimate economists and liberals into his administration instead of this parade of corporate thieves; instructing his Justice Department to prosecute banking criminals instead of medical marijuana users, journalists, and whistleblowers; eschewing "Grand Bargains" or at the very least proposing corporate welfare as a cut rather than the subsistence checks of the elderly poor; and saying no to this fucking evil free trade agreement that will drive millions more of us into poverty and subvert our democratic sovereignty to the interests of profit-mongering corporations.

How's that for a start?

And you'll notice that all the things I mentioned merely involve his stopping BLUDGEONING the 99 percent, rather than actually doing something proactive to HELP us. I didn't even mention an actual jobs program or putting on his legendary walking shoes to stand publicly with some union leaders in demand of a living wage. How outrageous is that?


How sad and pathetic and disgusting is it that we have reached a place in this party, and this country, when any expectation for vision and plans on behalf of the people from a Democratic President is immediately met with knee-jerk disapproval for even *suggesting* that the people might find a passionate and vocal advocate for their interests within the administration.

joshcryer: "I'm just curious as to what you expect Obama can actually do that would do anything."


That's about as pathetic a response I have ever seen from someone who purports to defend a President.

You will come back with some attempt, I'm sure, to keep this ridiculous exchange going. It will be some question or insinuation with the absurd premise that Obama is, in reality, a secret advocate of the 99 percent but is merely helpless in the face of overwhelming circumstances.* Or perhaps you will switch gears and scold us for not remembering that Obama was never a liberal in the first place, as though even a "moderate" President** cannot be expected to stand up against the wholesale selling out and impoverishment of millions once in a while. Either way, there will probably be another smear in there about unreasonable expectations.

Spare me. We have been watching this administration for nearly five years now, and it has been one horrific sell out and betrayal after another. At this point, if we can't mobilize together to somehow force the elites to pay attention to our agenda....Well, then their agenda - including Obama's precious new Grand Bargain and the TPP - is going to bury us.


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And now, the asterisks:

*Just for the record, here's the list again of Obama's major achievements in office, wholly apart from Republican obstructionism. This list does not show the President trying to enact an agenda for the 99 percent and being obstructed. It shows him working aggressively and proactively, over and over again, to install corporatists into his administration and to enact, in every policy area important to them, the agenda of the corporate one percent:

The record shows aggressive, proactive advocacy of a corporate agenda.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023330641#post90


**There is absolutely nothing "moderate" about what's being done to this country. Indefinite detention, "kill lists" and drone wars, pre-emptive war as administration doctrine, mass surveillance, internet IDs and internet-censoring measures like ACTA, military drones in American skies, coordinated violent crackdowns against peaceful protesters, strip searches for any arrestee, corporate education deform, new drilling and selling off the Gulf of Mexico, job-killing free trade agreements, big agriculture appointments, bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks, austerity budgets, and attacking Social Security and Medicare in an economy that has already impoverished its middle class.....These are not moderate or centrist positions. Not by a long shot. They are extreme corporatist, neocon, and police state policies. Corporate Trojan horses now control our political parties, and our Constitution and our country are being dismantled in the name of profit.

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"Major" is much less important than "feasible" Recursion Jul 2013 #1
It's better than temporary311 Jul 2013 #2
Not always Recursion Jul 2013 #3
I don't agree. Absolutely so. delrem Jul 2013 #20
So, what's new that was proposed ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #6
No it's not! Fearless Jul 2013 #39
Get your shovel ready for the big Jobs Program leftstreet Jul 2013 #4
Really? Is there a jobs program in the speech? woo me with science Jul 2013 #5
Uh...he said he'd reveal the details in the coming weeks leftstreet Jul 2013 #7
Hate to tell you...Obama is a centrist/moderate/pragmatist. He gets stuff done Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #8
Yes, he gets stuff done.... YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #10
Prepare to be eternally disappointed by politics, young democrat Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #11
you don't have to be young to be disappointed. I'm in my late thirties and I am disgusted. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #14
Prepare to have your skull cracked by the repressive forces Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #23
People are already dying from poverty. At some point the masses don't have much left to lose, and liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #27
yep. Sadly I don't think there'll be real change until we see a few banksters'' or other 1%ers' kath Jul 2013 #35
A fucking men, lah.. WCGreen Jul 2013 #25
Hey, they get medical marijuana dispensaries closed, and work with the GOP to keep NSA funding going villager Jul 2013 #30
What stuff is he going to get done economically? woo me with science Jul 2013 #12
They just want to keep the trickledown economics alive Rex Jul 2013 #9
I hear Larry Summers may be coming to town. That should "fix" a lot. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #13
Wow! Someone named "Summers." woo me with science Jul 2013 #16
I don't think he's any relation to Susan. But he was president of Harvard, where all the smart adirondacker Jul 2013 #19
Except,according to him, even at Harvard women's brains aren't equipped to do math or science. kath Jul 2013 #37
Riiiight! I think he studied that or something, so it must be true. adirondacker Jul 2013 #41
He'll have to have another beer with Boehner to get the details. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #15
This "Boehner" person. woo me with science Jul 2013 #21
or a golf game Skittles Jul 2013 #26
Oh good a re-branding. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #17
I was sure he was going to talk about woo me with science Jul 2013 #18
McJobs for all! limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #22
Ask the Republicans. joshcryer Jul 2013 #24
Yes, they *DO* seem to have a lot of influence! woo me with science Jul 2013 #28
They control half the government with regards to economic policy? joshcryer Jul 2013 #29
Do they control what he does about the Trans Pacific? woo me with science Jul 2013 #31
Yup, KORUS FTA had to pass the House and Senate by super-majority. joshcryer Jul 2013 #32
What?! The US Korea Free Trade Agreement FORCES Obama to negotiate the TPP?! woo me with science Jul 2013 #33
Oh, confused KORUS with TPP. Nah, but TPP would have to pass Congress. joshcryer Jul 2013 #36
I can't stay in character, Josh. woo me with science Jul 2013 #50
I didn't say that. joshcryer Jul 2013 #51
+1000 Hydra Jul 2013 #56
I'm sorry you missed it. It was inspiring. I don't remember the words exactly, but it jtuck004 Jul 2013 #34
Yeah, his speeches are always inspiring. kath Jul 2013 #38
+1 Fearless Jul 2013 #40
+2 adirondacker Jul 2013 #43
The fact that I think absolutely no one in this thread ACTUALLY saw this "big speech" Fearless Jul 2013 #42
i just finished listening to it. Must work hard to make it. Wind, Solar, online college, yay! nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #44
Is this "eat your peas" version 2? Fearless Jul 2013 #46
Pretty much. He did have a soulful begining and end to his speech, but stuff in the middle SOS. adirondacker Jul 2013 #48
That will not do come midterms. Fearless Jul 2013 #49
I reserve the right to believe it when I see it AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #45
''So what is the new progressive agenda?'' DeSwiss Jul 2013 #47
Gee, I wonder who. woo me with science Jul 2013 #54
He said something about calling some college presidents when he gets stumped. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #52
Oh yeah, and Democrats need get rid of programs that don't work as well as they should jtuck004 Jul 2013 #53
Record U.S. natural gas and booming oil production. Broward Jul 2013 #55
So-called progressives decide to bash a speech they didn't bother geek tragedy Jul 2013 #57
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