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joshcryer

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51. I didn't say that.

Reply to woo me with science (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:27 AM

Jul 2013

Obviously Obama wants TPP. He said it soon after being elected. In 2009. No brainer. I don't disagree on that nor do I suggest that Congress is forcing his hand.

But let's say Obama was a magical liberal lovely awesome guy. What could he do if Congress wanted TPP? Nothing.

You've done nothing but insult me in a deflection from the question I asked. You and I both know that due to the separation of powers Obama is powerless, even if he was a magical liberal leftist (which I warned DU he wasn't even back in 2007). Legislation requires Congress. Congress composed of a Senate and a House. Which is divided.

Presidents tend to be powerless unless they want to go blow shit up (whole Commander and Chief nonsense; what an utter mistake that idea was). Your desire to see Obama, mister uber-bipartisan to do something is just delusional fantasy and pitiful, to be honest.

Defending Obama? No, posting facts. Obama is the best bipartisan President I have ever known. Possibly even the best President in my lifetime. But a liberal? A leftist? Even a center-left President? Nonsense. Read my journal.

What to do, what to do?

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So what in the new progressive economic agenda are you most excited about? [View all] woo me with science Jul 2013 OP

"Major" is much less important than "feasible" Recursion Jul 2013 #1

It's better than temporary311 Jul 2013 #2

Not always Recursion Jul 2013 #3

I don't agree. Absolutely so. delrem Jul 2013 #20

So, what's new that was proposed ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #6

No it's not! Fearless Jul 2013 #39

Get your shovel ready for the big Jobs Program leftstreet Jul 2013 #4

Really? Is there a jobs program in the speech? woo me with science Jul 2013 #5

Uh...he said he'd reveal the details in the coming weeks leftstreet Jul 2013 #7

Hate to tell you...Obama is a centrist/moderate/pragmatist. He gets stuff done Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #8

Yes, he gets stuff done.... YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #10

Prepare to be eternally disappointed by politics, young democrat Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #11

you don't have to be young to be disappointed. I'm in my late thirties and I am disgusted. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #14

Prepare to have your skull cracked by the repressive forces Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #23

People are already dying from poverty. At some point the masses don't have much left to lose, and liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #27

yep. Sadly I don't think there'll be real change until we see a few banksters'' or other 1%ers' kath Jul 2013 #35

A fucking men, lah.. WCGreen Jul 2013 #25

Hey, they get medical marijuana dispensaries closed, and work with the GOP to keep NSA funding going villager Jul 2013 #30

What stuff is he going to get done economically? woo me with science Jul 2013 #12

They just want to keep the trickledown economics alive Rex Jul 2013 #9

I hear Larry Summers may be coming to town. That should "fix" a lot. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #13

Wow! Someone named "Summers." woo me with science Jul 2013 #16

I don't think he's any relation to Susan. But he was president of Harvard, where all the smart adirondacker Jul 2013 #19

Except,according to him, even at Harvard women's brains aren't equipped to do math or science. kath Jul 2013 #37

Riiiight! I think he studied that or something, so it must be true. adirondacker Jul 2013 #41

He'll have to have another beer with Boehner to get the details. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #15

This "Boehner" person. woo me with science Jul 2013 #21

or a golf game Skittles Jul 2013 #26

Oh good a re-branding. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #17

I was sure he was going to talk about woo me with science Jul 2013 #18

McJobs for all! limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #22

Ask the Republicans. joshcryer Jul 2013 #24

Yes, they *DO* seem to have a lot of influence! woo me with science Jul 2013 #28

They control half the government with regards to economic policy? joshcryer Jul 2013 #29

Do they control what he does about the Trans Pacific? woo me with science Jul 2013 #31

Yup, KORUS FTA had to pass the House and Senate by super-majority. joshcryer Jul 2013 #32

What?! The US Korea Free Trade Agreement FORCES Obama to negotiate the TPP?! woo me with science Jul 2013 #33

Oh, confused KORUS with TPP. Nah, but TPP would have to pass Congress. joshcryer Jul 2013 #36

I can't stay in character, Josh. woo me with science Jul 2013 #50

I didn't say that. joshcryer Jul 2013 #51

+1000 Hydra Jul 2013 #56

I'm sorry you missed it. It was inspiring. I don't remember the words exactly, but it jtuck004 Jul 2013 #34

Yeah, his speeches are always inspiring. kath Jul 2013 #38

+1 Fearless Jul 2013 #40

+2 adirondacker Jul 2013 #43

The fact that I think absolutely no one in this thread ACTUALLY saw this "big speech" Fearless Jul 2013 #42

i just finished listening to it. Must work hard to make it. Wind, Solar, online college, yay! nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #44

Is this "eat your peas" version 2? Fearless Jul 2013 #46

Pretty much. He did have a soulful begining and end to his speech, but stuff in the middle SOS. adirondacker Jul 2013 #48

That will not do come midterms. Fearless Jul 2013 #49

I reserve the right to believe it when I see it AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #45

''So what is the new progressive agenda?'' DeSwiss Jul 2013 #47

Gee, I wonder who. woo me with science Jul 2013 #54

He said something about calling some college presidents when he gets stumped. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #52

Oh yeah, and Democrats need get rid of programs that don't work as well as they should jtuck004 Jul 2013 #53

Record U.S. natural gas and booming oil production. Broward Jul 2013 #55

So-called progressives decide to bash a speech they didn't bother geek tragedy Jul 2013 #57