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17. The love of representatives of the 1%, allied with Bush lizards like Bachmann, is disturbing n/t

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Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk spying [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

The Cheer Squad isn't going to like this article. n/t Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #1

It's by Glenn Greenwald muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #5

"Or post a picture of Alex Jones." Heh heh.... truth2power Jul 2013 #45

One thing they will absolutely NOT do is address the substance of this atricle. bvar22 Jul 2013 #95

wyden says questionseverything Jul 2013 #110

If they do any of that, you should post this picture: Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #63

There are good reasons not to like the article --- having NOTHING to do with the NSA karynnj Jul 2013 #6

Here--You need this for your post: Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #14

That does NOT change the part I referred to -- at the very start of the article. karynnj Jul 2013 #33

You know what a strawman argument is, yes? TiberiusB Jul 2013 #80

Yes I do - and my comment was not one. It addressed a statement that GG put up front karynnj Jul 2013 #84

Let's review... TiberiusB Jul 2013 #115

The subject of the thread was the Greenwald article karynnj Jul 2013 #141

Progress TiberiusB Jul 2013 #151

As I said, there is no rule on what part of the op can be discussed karynnj Jul 2013 #171

well argued, karynnj hopemountain Jul 2013 #174

That's a particularly good representation. Love the expression.. truth2power Jul 2013 #47

You nailed it. ProSense Jul 2013 #16

Greenwald focuses on personal liberty and the national security state NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #24

a post without one link grasswire Jul 2013 #58

Greenwald isnt the only person saying this. And yes the Republicans fight like hell against rhett o rick Jul 2013 #26

The WAY he said it ignores that on the economic/social issues Obama karynnj Jul 2013 #31

Of course the Republicans give a lot of lip service to objecting to every thing Obama rhett o rick Jul 2013 #81

The Republicans have tried as hard as they could to stop almost everything he has done karynnj Jul 2013 #87

I am not falling for the "his hands are tied" excuse. He runs the Executive Branch which could be rhett o rick Jul 2013 #92

"What color to paint the Green Room" Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #66

The problem isn't that Republicans are for those things. They always have been. BlueStreak Jul 2013 #90

I wonder how the GOP will vote when it comes to.... raindaddy Jul 2013 #32

looked forward to the new transparent, populist administration RegexReader Jul 2013 #43

Which things that 'drive most liberals' does GG not share? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #53

That's great. I'm here to support the Wyden-Conyers-Sanders-Amash-Conyers football team, not them. Catherina Jul 2013 #10

" just change their uniforms and come back to cheer for the next corporate sponsor. " bvar22 Jul 2013 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Jul 2013 #18

K&R Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #2

K & R dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #3

"tired of, and immune to, the relentless fear-mongering" by Glenn Greenwald FarCenter Jul 2013 #4

Yes I can see how challenging it might be. Life would be so much better if we didnt have these rhett o rick Jul 2013 #29

In NJ, the two Repubs who did not support the President were Scott Garrett and Chris Smith FarCenter Jul 2013 #49

And the most radical reactionaries support Obama. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #69

There has been no massive violation against the Constitution FarCenter Jul 2013 #74

Keep your head in the sand. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #76

Bachmann is pretty much as fascist as far as I know. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #106

Oh, I agree. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #107

Yes certainly both apply. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #108

It is certainly looking like a coalition ... Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #112

Yes the coalition of the defenders of the corporate state. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #113

But then what will we do? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #114

probably we will make sweet infographics and post them on web forums. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #117

I agree with your points actually. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #119

Yeah it seems to be a personality trait. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #123

I can understand economic and political conditions ... Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #126

I'll copy and paste something from another thread... limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #129

One doesn't even have to be destroyed or disenchanted to get it. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #131

right. that's empathy. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #132

Yes, and without having read your link ... Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #134

That article is kind of long. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #136

Take it easy. The book is available for free and the link is in the Socialist Progressives group. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #137

In an environment where the Republican Party has pledged not to rhett o rick Jul 2013 #77

isn't american idol or honey boo boo on? frylock Jul 2013 #46

Fear-mongering. Yes, absolutely... truth2power Jul 2013 #50

here's what that immunity looks like markiv Jul 2013 #68

Vote 'em out, and ProSense Jul 2013 #7

Vote 'em out, and JimDandy Jul 2013 #20

At what point are you going to put down the pom poms? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #70

ROTFLMAO! Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #149

Unfortunately, yes. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #150

Absolutely! I would never try to dissuade anyone from tilting at worthy windmills. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #152

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #153

And there it is: unmasked, and it isn't pretty. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #8

I hope so because we "don't have a functioning democracy at this current time" Catherina Jul 2013 #12

But Carter isn't a real Democrat, don't you know? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #73

"the new breed of small government conservatives" ucrdem Jul 2013 #9

Whee! Guilt by association! JoeyT Jul 2013 #22

"the new breed of small government conservatives" yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #27

Here are some other notable individuals who have worked with the Cato Institute: Maedhros Jul 2013 #82

and the best part... TiberiusB Jul 2013 #125

yep, the primary reason the apologists are all wet about BHO's responsibility for and ownership stupidicus Jul 2013 #11

The love of representatives of the 1%, allied with Bush lizards like Bachmann, is disturbing n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #17

no doubt catherina stupidicus Jul 2013 #38

Not just the Obama Admin, but almost half of the Democratic members of the House! :( reformist2 Jul 2013 #13

I love how Bvar puts it all the time: "By their fruits shall ye know them" Catherina Jul 2013 #19

Yes nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #97

Well you know the old saying zeemike Jul 2013 #30

Bought, Sold and wrapped in the pretty packaging of Compromise.... KoKo Jul 2013 #67

it is to laugh sigmasix Jul 2013 #15

K&R marions ghost Jul 2013 #21

"the new breed of small government conservatives" DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #23

My Dad.. a Democrat to the core.. used to say.. Peacetrain Jul 2013 #25

+1000 great white snark Jul 2013 #28

That is what they said about Jesus too. zeemike Jul 2013 #34

"you are judged not only by your actions, but by the company you keep, and the values you espouse" bahrbearian Jul 2013 #37

Amash ProSense Jul 2013 #40

+1 L0oniX Jul 2013 #54

Nailed it... SidDithers Jul 2013 #39

And you consistently do the opposite. Shrug. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #99

So, do the people supporting Broward Jul 2013 #41

So...you are telling me that Jefferson and Franklin nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #51

111 Democrats voted for the amendment; 83 against it muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #55

They bring up the libertarian boogey man in everyone of these threads Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #100

oh good night nurse markiv Jul 2013 #72

It's the Bachmann Democrats who are out of step not only with the party's liberal tradition Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #122

Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #35

Canada. Lol...nt whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #65

... leftstreet Jul 2013 #133

This is more opinion piece than news story. Coyotl Jul 2013 #36

K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #42

I'll remember these Democrats for not kowtowing to an enemy of the state. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #44

"Enemy of the state" ... Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #91

Your post is just breathtaking. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #102

John Yoo Turd Wayers are just secular corporate TeaPubliKlans. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #155

But, we knew this. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #48

K&R. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #52

The last paragraph describes Glenn's real intent. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #56

Good point: ProSense Jul 2013 #57

So what do you think about the voting down of something we Democrats have worked for ten sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #61

Why let issues ruin a perfectly good character assassination? whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #75

First ... based on the vote count ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #89

The metadata is the greater danger to liberty and freedom. reusrename Jul 2013 #173

You write this, as if you think it's some kind of clever riposte: Maedhros Jul 2013 #83

Bi-partisanship at its most revealing. Peter King and Obama. Bachmann and Pelosi. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #59

Violating the Constitution is about the only bi-partisan consensus ... Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #60

And this is damming but true nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #62

"damning" nt dionysus Jul 2013 #127

Under the differing superficial idiological garb markiv Jul 2013 #64

ONE Corporate/MIC Party - TWO Faces... polichick Jul 2013 #71

+10000000000 woo me with science Jul 2013 #96

+2 limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #109

This is like the Vietnam War era. That split the Democratic Party down the middle, too. leveymg Jul 2013 #78

I think we are just about there now. bemildred Jul 2013 #135

We're just waiting for the Persian Gulf Incident to justify it. leveymg Jul 2013 #138

Me too. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #139

Shouldn't be long now. This one is getting out of the establishments control. "By way of deception, Purveyor Jul 2013 #143

Same factions, too. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #169

Glenn Greenwald, the new Godwin's Law TiberiusB Jul 2013 #79

Hillary Clinton began her career helping hold Nixon accountable for his markiv Jul 2013 #85

Hillary Clinton started out as a Young Republican Goldwater youth delegate. leveymg Jul 2013 #140

Totally ironic Hydra Jul 2013 #86

Which 17 Democrats Voted Against the PATRIOT Act in 2011 But Voted with the NSA Yesterday? ProSense Jul 2013 #88

It makes you wonder... TiberiusB Jul 2013 #118

The really surprising one was Sheila Jackson-Lee, unles you know she's on the Homeland Security Sub- leveymg Jul 2013 #144

Schakowsy shocked the bejesus out of me as well n/t eridani Jul 2013 #165

more greenwald shark jumping nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #93

K&R woo me with science Jul 2013 #94

K&R NealK Jul 2013 #98

"The Obama administration made common cause with the House Republican leadership" FiveGoodMen Jul 2013 #101

As have several people here. Such fine company to bask in. War criminals, murderers, thieves Catherina Jul 2013 #103

It certainly could be. DemocratsForProgress Jul 2013 #163

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #104

K&R and Thanks Catherina. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #105

kick soundsgreat Jul 2013 #111

kick QC Jul 2013 #120

What worries me is what comes next. woo me with science Jul 2013 #121

Me too. Pelosi is already laying the groundwork for that. All we can do is stay very alert. Catherina Jul 2013 #128

These are very clever bastards. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #130

"How Nancy Pelosi Saved the NSA Surveillance Program" Catherina Jul 2013 #148

The End of the World railsback Jul 2013 #124

knr for the Dick Cheney Democrats Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #142

They're asking for the passwords for RegexReader Jul 2013 #145

It just gets worse every day. Read this from the ACLU Massachusetts Catherina Jul 2013 #147

But wait ... isn't the NSA scandal a 'debunked' Republican conspiracy just like DirkGently Jul 2013 #146

Yes, and long since. Bachman is just too thick to realize it. ucrdem Jul 2013 #159

Er no. Wacky Bachman's taking your view of "Greedwald." DirkGently Jul 2013 #160

Nothing about her view of Greedwald in the piece. ucrdem Jul 2013 #161

Just so you understand Bachman defends NSA spying. It's not a "GOP scandal." DirkGently Jul 2013 #170

When The Batshit Crazy Lady supports you... 99Forever Jul 2013 #154

Inversely, her disagreeing with something does not make one agree with it to be a Democrat. Fearless Jul 2013 #162

The "kind of argument you ... 99Forever Jul 2013 #168

Actually no Fearless Jul 2013 #172

Bullshit. 99Forever Jul 2013 #175

I used YOUR conditions! Fearless Jul 2013 #176

naw. they are just using a little reverse psychology hopemountain Jul 2013 #156

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #157

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #158

new breed of small govt consevatives? is that a joke? Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #164

1 Party, 2 Faces. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #166

False premises in this article: PBass Jul 2013 #167

So damn true - one party of MIC & Wall Street JackRiddler Jul 2013 #177

Many of us are. Catherina Jul 2013 #178