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83. Lovely combination of ignorance and lies you've provided here.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jul 2013

1) The mother was shot at close range. Twice. Once while struggling with a defendant for the gun. That's completely consistent with getting gunpowder residue on her, as any sentient being would understand.

But, don't take my word for it.

Gunshot residue particles can be removed easily from the surfaces they land on. Regular activities, such as putting hands in pockets, rubbing hands together, or handling items, can wipe them away.4 The washing of hands can remove most, if not all, particles. Rates of loss vary widely with the activity of the subject. Depending on conditions and activity, particles may be removed from a shooter’s hands within 4 to 5 hours after a shooting event.5 They also can transfer from a surface or person to another individual; the amount depends on the number of GSR particles on the contaminated surface (e.g., a person’s clothing or hands) and likely will be a small percentage of the total number of particles present. Tests show that people standing within 3 feet to the side of a shooter may have GSR on their hands, whereas those standing 10 or more feet in the same direction typically will not.6 This can vary with the type of gun and ammunition, number of shots fired, and the environment of the shooting. Gunshot primer residue also can travel downrange with each firing of a weapon.7 Long guns, like rifles and shotguns, tend to leave less GSR on shooters than handguns.8

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In a GSR case, the submitting agency, attorneys, judge, and jury all want to know if the suspect fired a gun. Unfortunately, the presence or absence of GSR on a person’s hands cannot answer that question. Rather, as the accepted practice, all positive gunshot residue reports include a qualifier, such as “The presence of primer residue on a person’s hand is consistent with that person having discharged a firearm, having been in the vicinity of a firearm when it was discharged, or having handled an item with primer residue on it.” Conversely, negative GSR reports often contain a qualifying statement, such as “The absence of gunshot residue on a person’s hands does not eliminate that individual from having discharged a firearm.”


http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/may_2011/The%20Current%20Status%20of%20GSR%20Examinations



2) ONE OF THE DEFENDANTS SAID THEY SHOT HER AND THE BABY.

3) I have been consistently anti-Zimmerman and pro-justice for Trayvon, so take your ugly bald-faced lie about me being a racist Zimmerman apologist and shove it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2695656
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023119385#post60

Also, learn to deal in facts instead of shit you make up in your head.

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Bad news for a certain Fox News Blond. nt onehandle Jul 2013 #1
Telling lies on Fox gets them kudos. They intend to tell lies. Lies are what their audience live rhett o rick Jul 2013 #8
Yep...and when the faux news lie is exposed... tex-wyo-dem Jul 2013 #36
Every female anchor on there? Dash87 Jul 2013 #61
That's disgusting, and there is some precedent for it Xyzse Jul 2013 #2
There is one famous precedent: Charles Stuart, Boston. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #14
I was thinking of Susan Smith, the one who claimed she got carjacked Xyzse Jul 2013 #15
Her, too. She claimed it was black guys, right? kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #21
Yeah... She had a police sketch and everything Xyzse Jul 2013 #22
Susan Smith, step-daughter to Republican activist and Christian Coalition Leader Beverly Russell Ghost in the Machine Jul 2013 #43
Like I said... Ugh. Disgusting as heck. Xyzse Jul 2013 #45
Jesse Anderson in Milwaukee mockmonkey Jul 2013 #47
Gee, that guy gets around Politicalboi Jul 2013 #87
And Diane Downs. REP Jul 2013 #76
The lady who carved a backwards "B" on her own face before the election and blamed it on a Black guy Erose999 Jul 2013 #57
Yeah, idiotic Xyzse Jul 2013 #58
Except for the fact that the two suspects mothers' told police where geek tragedy Jul 2013 #3
But how did the husband get gun residue on him? Politicalboi Jul 2013 #90
If he put his hands anywhere on the mother in the aftermath of the shooting, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #91
It's easy for people to believe, because the perception is we are all criminals. JRLeft Jul 2013 #4
It didn't happen in an Atlanta suburb. RebelOne Jul 2013 #5
Really! Why believe anything in the story if they Phentex Jul 2013 #11
To the news media NewJeffCT Jul 2013 #26
Any information on the gun exboyfil Jul 2013 #6
So they may have shot their own baby? bravenak Jul 2013 #7
original was all over facebook dembotoz Jul 2013 #9
there are at least two pages devoted to the baby dlwickham Jul 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author raccoon Jul 2013 #10
Where's the outrage NOW, right-wing sheeple? Roy Rolling Jul 2013 #12
No, it does not turn out that mom had a gun. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #16
So? Zoeisright Jul 2013 #35
Just like Trayvon Martin having gunpowder residue on him geek tragedy Jul 2013 #37
Republicans don't much care for babies once they're HERE, only unborn Lex Jul 2013 #17
Remember when DUers who questioned the mom's story got slammed? mainer Jul 2013 #18
there still is no reason to believe she shot herself and the baby. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #42
They still should be slammed Union Scribe Jul 2013 #103
..something familiar about this post OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #19
A Special Place in Hell! chuckstevens Jul 2013 #20
+1 PotatoChip Jul 2013 #63
Sorry I did not see this post n/t UglyGreed Jul 2013 #23
If this is true, when will other media outlets report this info? Catherine Vincent Jul 2013 #24
It pays to wait. Igel Jul 2013 #27
The informtion about the parents and the gun residue was reported in March 2013 OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #28
It's a horrible story, no matter what. But I don't see how it has anything to do with.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #25
It's relevant because a Fox News anchor insisted it was evidence of Obama's bias. byronius Jul 2013 #30
Not for a lot of people. But I could see how it looks similar. Igel Jul 2013 #32
The connection is in how it has been used lolly Jul 2013 #33
Does the name Susan Smith ring a bell? The link to Zimmerman is: "Black men are thugs and murderers" Hekate Jul 2013 #34
In this case, the victim has a bullet in her, and there are corroborating geek tragedy Jul 2013 #39
+1000. tumtum Jul 2013 #46
*IF* it turns out the mother made the story up, then I could see some simularlity. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #48
It's up to us to change the frame of the narrative. nt Hekate Jul 2013 #93
both "stories" are appeals to racism noiretextatique Jul 2013 #110
There's an episode of 'The Sopranos' that deals with this phenomenon. byronius Jul 2013 #29
There is nothing in this story that implicates the mom or dad. tumtum Jul 2013 #31
why we need a follow up gnews channel. pansypoo53219 Jul 2013 #38
Gun residue on the mother doesn't implicate her. SHE WAS THERE. And it might have rubbed off on KittyWampus Jul 2013 #40
Absolutely astounding to see this posted at DU go west young man Jul 2013 #41
But, but, but, that woman who was shot at close range had gunpowder geek tragedy Jul 2013 #44
+ a brazillion and one... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #51
wow, really well-said Vattel Jul 2013 #52
Well said. tumtum Jul 2013 #54
... Phentex Jul 2013 #55
There's no race issue here = I don't live the black experience so I'll minimize it the best I can uponit7771 Jul 2013 #56
I guess the younger defendant must be racist. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #64
False confessions have been coerced from more than one person REP Jul 2013 #79
Explain the aunt of the shooter leading police to the murder weapon? tumtum Jul 2013 #82
Quid pro quo REP Jul 2013 #86
Sooo, the aunt was bribed, the kid is lying about his confession, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #92
I'm not convicting anyone and I think the confession may be coerced, not a lie REP Jul 2013 #98
Not everything is about race. go west young man Jul 2013 #70
Plus ignoring the facts to get an emotional response. Rex Jul 2013 #73
So you just decided to ignore the OP and post a lot of Rex Jul 2013 #71
Yeap, cause no one has EVER EVER accused a black guy of wrong doing because of race... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #89
People who blame the mother here =Juror B37. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #94
Yep. Totally agreed. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #104
But that's an NRAtalkingPoint™! RW troll! Racist...or something.. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #95
This case goes to trial in August... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #49
Fox News will never play the correction!! Disgusting Pisces Jul 2013 #50
And what correction would that be? tumtum Jul 2013 #53
GPR on the mother with no known contact with the shooter?! REALLY?! Don't tell me, you supported uponit7771 Jul 2013 #59
she was shot and her baby was shot. You think she wouldn't have residue on her? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Jul 2013 #62
Has the gun been proven to be the murder weapon? mainer Jul 2013 #78
Even better, we have one of the defendants saying they shot the baby. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #88
What's GPR? tumtum Jul 2013 #65
They also have one of the kids saying "we totally tried to geek tragedy Jul 2013 #67
I just don't get it sometimes. tumtum Jul 2013 #72
Conspiracy theories have large constituencies in all geek tragedy Jul 2013 #75
Spoken like someone geek tragedy Jul 2013 #66
Wasn't GPR found on Trayvon? Union Scribe Jul 2013 #105
Well that should send the Zimmerman apologists into overdrive. Rex Jul 2013 #68
Erm, the parents didn't do it, the two black kids did do it in this case. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #69
So where did the gun powder residue come from on their hands? Rex Jul 2013 #74
The mom got it the same way that Trayvon Martin got geek tragedy Jul 2013 #77
Wrong the GPR was on both the hands of the parents. Rex Jul 2013 #80
when you and your baby are shot, why wouldn't you have residue on yourself? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #81
Anyone who disagrees with Rex is a racist Zimmerman lover. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #84
Plenty of DUers in the Gungeon get that memo everyday. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #96
Actually I was talking about replies on Yahoo. Rex Jul 2013 #99
Lovely combination of ignorance and lies you've provided here. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #83
+1000. tumtum Jul 2013 #85
Also Greek kalisto2010 Jul 2013 #100
He saw me post about the racists on yahoo and identified himself as a Rex Jul 2013 #102
Witness for the prosecution: Dominique Lang geek tragedy Jul 2013 #106
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #101
What the fuck are you talking about? Union Scribe Jul 2013 #107
Ok really? SQUEE Jul 2013 #108
Greek kalisto2010 Jul 2013 #97
the ever-popular "the black guy did it" excuse noiretextatique Jul 2013 #109
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