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JohnnyRingo

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239. Oops... I meant the 4th in my reference as well.

Reply to questionseverything (Reply #238)

Thu Jul 25, 2013, 09:01 PM

Jul 2013

What we'll have to disagree on is the difference between what the govt should do and what the reality is.

As I pointed out in an earlier post, no one in their right mind would conduct illegal activities like drug dealing on a phone or the internet and expect anything but a lengthy sentence, and it's been that way all my long life. Even during the advent of the cell phone, then Mayor Guilianni used "roving wire taps" to put the NY mob families away (warrants were purposely vague and general when they were used at all). Instead of filing civil lawsuits, they learned and adapted.

Once again, I think the only difference between you and I is that I know all electronic communication is and has always been unsecured, and that it will never be otherwise. Not here or in any other country on Earth.

Thank you for not pouncing on my constitutional slip. LOL.

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Dear Mr President: I'll believe you [View all] cali Jul 2013 OP

K and R bigwillq Jul 2013 #1

Your list is way too short. Dawgs Jul 2013 #2

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #40

x3! eom wildbilln864 Jul 2013 #196

What you're saying is that you never believed him, right? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #3

nope. wrong again. reliably, wonderfully wrong. cali Jul 2013 #5

So you ProSense Jul 2013 #9

oh dear, you are a little confused. try reading for comprehension, pro cali Jul 2013 #11

Is that good advice? That will slow things down. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #42

Where is that in the post? WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #221

That was a personal attack on you, cali RobertEarl Jul 2013 #10

cali is the one who constantly engages in personal attacks Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #12

yes, and take a look at the innocuous posts hidden cali Jul 2013 #19

Asking you a question is not a personal attack... sensitive much? scheming daemons Jul 2013 #22

Uh oh, you've been "dearied"! "Sweetie" and "Honey" can't be far behind. 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #182

"I also get a lot of ops sent to the top of the greatest page." Number23 Jul 2013 #199

... sheshe2 Jul 2013 #34

Just because a jury votes doesn't mean justice was the outcome. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2013 #39

Forget about the jury and just read some of those hidden posts Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #44

Well, the jury is how posts get "hidden", and thus a transparency page is built. jtuck004 Jul 2013 #184

I've been seeing a lot of that... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #78

For years she was one of his most ardent supporters. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #41

Indeed. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #236

I looked at that transparency page cate94 Jul 2013 #228

Asking a question is a "personal attack"? ProSense Jul 2013 #13

Yes, a snarky, insincere rude passive aggressive attack in the form of a question. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #59

What silliness. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #87

Thanks for proving Bluenorthwest's point YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #214

I agree. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #233

I've noticed... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #30

not really, if you see any personal attacks they can be alerted on quinnox Jul 2013 #50

I'll keep that in mind... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #71

yup, don't put up with it and let it slide quinnox Jul 2013 #79

Treasure her. Few things in life are so consistent. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #178

I seem to recall when you were a big Obama booster Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #235

I never did leftstreet Jul 2013 #6

LOL. You are just too precious! EOTE Jul 2013 #37

Obamabots lark Jul 2013 #145

Well this is still Democratic Underground when last I checked n/t malaise Jul 2013 #219

Well this is still Democratic Underground when last I checked yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #226

Cali was a strong defender & supporter of President Obama during his 1st term. bvar22 Jul 2013 #106

OK, ProSense Jul 2013 #126

Quick response! pocoloco Jul 2013 #223

to sum up - I'll believe him when he starts acting like a Democrat quinnox Jul 2013 #4

Drones are simply a tool... would you feel better if it was Tomahawk missiles? scheming daemons Jul 2013 #21

What's the difference on the receiving end? hobbit709 Jul 2013 #23

There is none... that's my point. scheming daemons Jul 2013 #36

There is a difference, though. morningfog Jul 2013 #53

Lots of difference. lark Jul 2013 #148

Why present a false choice? Maedhros Jul 2013 #25

You're right-- it isn't the tool. It's the administration's claims to a right to assassinate Marr Jul 2013 #26

well, to me you are sounding like Dick Cheney with this quinnox Jul 2013 #28

My grandson... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #47

How about none of the above? The waronterra is neagtive feedback loop. morningfog Jul 2013 #49

No that is what is shamefull about it. zeemike Jul 2013 #125

Your post isnt even rational. You imply that the tool isnt shameful for the reason that it doesnt rhett o rick Jul 2013 #158

Dead children don't count. Got it. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #191

It's not an either/or for me, it's an all tavalon Jul 2013 #215

What has that got to do with drones being used in countries we are not at war with? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #229

Whether Obama is sincere isn't the point, it's whether we can get the geek tragedy Jul 2013 #7

Exactly, and ProSense Jul 2013 #18

Putting pressure on Republicans involves actual work... SunSeeker Jul 2013 #32

That's what discussion boards are for, comments. Demit Jul 2013 #75

Yes, I can and I do. Do you? nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #93

I write letters on paper, not on discussion boards. I go to rallies in person, not on Demit Jul 2013 #105

Good for you. We should do all of the above. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #114

And my point was that you are assuming something you can't know. Demit Jul 2013 #163

So you are suggesting that all the posters here are also fighting for the Dem agenda? SunSeeker Jul 2013 #175

Hi SunSeeker lark Jul 2013 #149

Good! I said some, not all. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #151

Shifting the goal posts a tad, aren't you? enlightenment Jul 2013 #164

You are putting words in my mouth. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #168

You're funny. enlightenment Jul 2013 #172

Sometimes happily, Republicans find they are on the same page as Democrats, such as sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #230

OFFS, Dems are not defending Bush policies. Enough with the hyperbole. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #231

DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #8

I believed him when he said that he was going to escalate the lost war in Afghnistan. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #14

He was called a "spokesperson" for corporatists in an earlier thread... truebluegreen Jul 2013 #15

I'm sure he's concerned michigandem58 Jul 2013 #16

sort of the point no? n/t Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #17

I'm sure he's concerned about what a random DU bellyacher believes.... scheming daemons Jul 2013 #20

No, I don't know it. I think he's better than either of the bushes cali Jul 2013 #31

President NAFTA - a Very Low Bar HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #197

"Obama would be best served by ignoring "Democrats" like you." LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #45

Amen, brother cadaverdog Jul 2013 #54

Yup. And it got him reelected... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #63

Huh? Almost all of DU supported Obama in 2012. Dawgs Jul 2013 #86

And yet Andy823 Jul 2013 #171

I don't believe that any true DUers roody Jul 2013 #211

"So many here are ready to throw him under the bus after 6 months of his second term" Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #227

Yes, I was one of them... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #181

Same here. n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #189

Where's that sharp left turn you expected? lark Jul 2013 #150

I never expected a 'sharp left turn'... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #152

So you were OK all along with him governing from the right? lark Jul 2013 #153

I'm okay with the way he's governing. Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #156

Yes and the clue should have been zeemike Jul 2013 #137

Yeah, all those people out in the country are random bellyachers. woo me with science Jul 2013 #46

What one calls a random DU'er I call a voter The Straight Story Jul 2013 #99

Yes... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #117

Right on cue. MineralMan Jul 2013 #24

you are cordially welcome. cali Jul 2013 #33

K&R beemer27 Jul 2013 #27

+100000000 woo me with science Jul 2013 #29

Haha... awesome! whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #82

Exactly.... show me the jobs-don't just talk about some notion of people needing them to buy food midnight Jul 2013 #224

I'm sure he'll be devastated to learn that cali doesn't believe in him... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #35

I agree with your sarcastic observation. woo me with science Jul 2013 #43

With how DU has acted to the President since Day One, I'd hold most of 'em in contempt too... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #52

YOU NEVER LOVED HIM! LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #65

What does that mean exactly? treestar Jul 2013 #91

Awww. woo me with science Jul 2013 #69

Aww is right... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #72

I'm impoverished... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #98

Probably more than those who spend every waking hour posting on DU. Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #101

Who are you referring to? malokvale77 Jul 2013 #128

They know. Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #129

You said you know what I do. woo me with science Jul 2013 #140

It speaks volumes for a trend I've noticed here... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #142

You've noticed that, have you? woo me with science Jul 2013 #154

The difference between you and I... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #155

No, that's not the difference. woo me with science Jul 2013 #166

I've certainly noticed it. malokvale77 Jul 2013 #173

Wow. THIS offensive approach again? Really? woo me with science Jul 2013 #107

A lot of words... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #109

Do you like my outfit today? nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #119

You've looked better. Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #120

No that was just the old cameras. woo me with science Jul 2013 #121

I'm pretty sure it's the subject. Always easy blaming the cameras, tho! Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #127

You've given little evidence yourself. malokvale77 Jul 2013 #134

Well I'm not the one who constantly attacks Obama for doing nothing to help the situation. Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #135

Now that was awsome... zeemike Jul 2013 #147

I agree. NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #190

this. bobduca Jul 2013 #198

du gave obama a lot of time. xiamiam Jul 2013 #88

DU didn't give Obama a lot of time... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #92

Once he looked gullible as hell "reaching out" it went south. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #111

Yes. How dare the President try to reach a consensus... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #115

Yes, the first 5 times it was fine. Then you start looking stupid. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #122

So stupid that it got him reelected... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #123

He did. Romney won it for us. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #130

That's right... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #131

And the "Obama is perfect" crowd is no better than the free republic! Nt Logical Jul 2013 #110

LOL that makes no sense. Do they believe Obama is perfect at FR? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #118

Same way they worshiped bush! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #124

+1000000000000000 dennis4868 Jul 2013 #169

That sword cuts both ways obxhead Jul 2013 #170

And yet, you stay. Hmmm......n/t dgibby Jul 2013 #174

Well why give up? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #176

Who are you refering to? malokvale77 Jul 2013 #183

ahh, the universal "DU" burnodo Jul 2013 #218

I voted for him even knowing how awful some thought he was. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #67

I'd just like to point out that cali is not writing about 'believing in him' which is Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #51

Thanks a really interesting catch LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #56

Believing in the President doesn't equate to a cult of personality... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #62

I disagree. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #70

The OP has constantly posted negative crap about Obama since the election... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #74

Is this Meta just for you? Since when did DU dedicate itself to personal attack? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #85

So are terms like cultists... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #95

Am I your possesion? Your bodyguard? You can't stand up for yourself? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #102

Are you cali's? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #104

I don't care for those who rewrite what anyone says and then argue with it. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #108

Yeah they kinda did... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #113

So some people post nothing but hate, but that doesn't make them haters. Demit Jul 2013 #100

You have that right... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #103

I don't know who this centrist is... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #57

You were not criticized for supporting Obama, but for using the phrase 'you don't Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #66

Then DU is centrist and shallow and vapid... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #76

More faith based characterizations, you on what others 'seem to believe' is just Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #81

For someone who likes to rail against personal attacks, you really have no problem lobbing 'em. Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #97

I'm talking about your words and ideas, not about you. That's the difference. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #112

There is no difference... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #116

There is a big difference. malokvale77 Jul 2013 #186

They know it is about ideas, and they know that those who are upset with the president on sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #237

And your exposure of those rhetorical tactics... woo me with science Jul 2013 #188

Thank you malokvale77 Jul 2013 #89

This thread has many recommends from readers, and a handful of dissenters whose Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #94

You know what I hate about that? zeemike Jul 2013 #161

I agree with you on that icon... (WARNING: run on sentence) malokvale77 Jul 2013 #187

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #64

If we went by what DU thought, Dennis Kucinich would be president right now... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #77

And if Dennis were president right now at least we would have somebody who would totodeinhere Jul 2013 #136

That's a mighty big 'if'... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #138

You're the one who broached the subject of his being president. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #143

Yes... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #144

Big Difference between "Would Be" and "Could Be" HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #203

He'd still lose. Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #205

Neither of us can Prove This Either Way ... HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #209

I think we both have a pretty good idea... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #212

And you would be right malokvale77 Jul 2013 #165

You really ProSense Jul 2013 #80

+1 treestar Jul 2013 #90

Who are the lapdogs here? malokvale77 Jul 2013 #185

The K and the R. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #38

I'll believe him when he appoints Elizabeth Warren to head up a National Reconstruction Agency. reformist2 Jul 2013 #48

K & R. More... truth2power Jul 2013 #55

Don't be a hater. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #58

+1000 quinnox Jul 2013 #68

Well said! City Lights Jul 2013 #60

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #61

Clearly, ProSense Jul 2013 #73

Kick and recommend Howler Jul 2013 #83

Well, blue neen Jul 2013 #84

FireDogLake is a link from DU malokvale77 Jul 2013 #167

The speech wasn't for people still needing to approve of him. great white snark Jul 2013 #96

Hard work!?!?! DeSwiss Jul 2013 #206

K&R. Ditto, plus l'm adding when he takes Chained CPI off the table. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #132

+1000 But I'm not holding my breath. forestpath Jul 2013 #159

I can't help thinking that the president... polichick Jul 2013 #133

I guess DU has become a place to criticize Democrats now and not support them? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #139

I guess you don't understand democracy. malokvale77 Jul 2013 #157

From the DU Terms of Service liberal N proud Jul 2013 #160

Mea Culpa malokvale77 Jul 2013 #177

Who Knew that the TOS forbid speaking ill of democrats? Throckmorton Jul 2013 #179

Not a an element by yourself. malokvale77 Jul 2013 #180

Agree, agree, agree. But I want rock solid confirmed by a matthews Jul 2013 #141

Well cali... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #146

I almost didn't read your OP, but glad I did 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #162

The president saved my pension JohnnyRingo Jul 2013 #192

i supported the admin bailing out gm questionseverything Jul 2013 #193

Tell Issa. JohnnyRingo Jul 2013 #213

wyden doesnt agree about the petty complaint thing questionseverything Jul 2013 #232

I understand your point, and I like Ron Wyden... JohnnyRingo Jul 2013 #234

ty for your civil and reasonable response questionseverything Jul 2013 #238

Oops... I meant the 4th in my reference as well. JohnnyRingo Jul 2013 #239

the difference between what the govt should do and what the reality is. questionseverything Jul 2013 #240

That's when I personally learned cell phones were microphones. JohnnyRingo Jul 2013 #241

smiles..so we agree questionseverything Jul 2013 #242

Great post. Glad it worked out for you. Number23 Jul 2013 #200

Nice. ProSense Jul 2013 #207

cali ? dusty trails Jul 2013 #194

I stopped believing BHO some time ago. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #195

Fucking-A. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #201

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jul 2013 #202

money matters originate in Congress. The president is almost incidental to that process bigtree Jul 2013 #204

oph no he's not. he makes requests. take a look at the Defense Bill cali Jul 2013 #217

funny how none of the crap you listed is related to one another bigtree Jul 2013 #222

This message was self-deleted by its author Grateful for Hope Jul 2013 #208

Good thread tiredtoo Jul 2013 #210

We picked the lesser of two weasels... Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #216

cali... RECOMMENDED... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #220

I was just going to post that very question of the working poor. Great post. diabeticman Jul 2013 #225