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Pretzel_Warrior

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84. that's great. I am sure you learned a lot you couldn't merely from a textbook

Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:08 AM

Jul 2013

but in the fog of war, I am sure there is much even that general couldn't know about the vast expanse of 2 world wars.

The scariest scenario doesn't have as much to do with a particular ideology as it does to total and complete financial meltdown lasting for years. What happened in 2008/2009 was bad, but if the dominos had kept falling, it would have sunk us into a worldwide depression, and in that environment people are looking for answers and will often cling to the loudest and most radical of theories and ideas.

It was that environment in the 1920's that gave rise to people like Hitler and Mussolini who were then able to scapegoat entire swaths of people in their countries and wrest control from all of the normal institutions of power.

Based on that, it wouldn't be the current framework of government I would be worried about as much as a financial collapse causing a general strike and unstable society. From that would spring up new "leaders" and cults of personality that people would follow to their destruction.

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Is it just me? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 OP

Yes, it's you... brooklynite Jul 2013 #1

No, it's not just him, there are at least two of us. However I agree we can work through our sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #51

John Lennon thought "they" were insane. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #198

you kardonb Jul 2013 #102

Of course you do - you can afford to have that perspective. TBF Jul 2013 #123

My income doesn't protect me from crackpot Tea Party policies... brooklynite Jul 2013 #128

The civil rights issues can be changed TBF Jul 2013 #133

It clearly provides you with needed status feelings, you are one of just a few DUers Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #180

The ONLY time I mention my income... brooklynite Jul 2013 #200

How are you going to work through a problem with your head in the sand? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #175

No, it's not just you. PDJane Jul 2013 #2

Where are we going? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #3

For some reason, reminds me of... MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #8

I love that song. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #29

Isn't early Pink Floyd great? MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #32

That goes all the way back to Syd Dragonfli Jul 2013 #37

Amazing album MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #42

Agreed, one more for those that may not be familiar with it... Dragonfli Jul 2013 #55

That might be my favorite from the album MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #62

The modern cover is by Voivod. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #199

there is something we actually agree on arely staircase Jul 2013 #46

Corporal Clegg MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #57

he won it in the war arely staircase Jul 2013 #59

Syd Barrett days were pretty cool. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #178

Holy crap! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #114

I don't dislike it...just sounds HEAVILY influenced by Sgt. Pepper's to me... Moostache Jul 2013 #171

A whole lot of music from that period was influenced by Sgt. Pepper's. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #173

Where is the hostage negotiation team? leftstreet Jul 2013 #4

no it's not just you, Manny Skittles Jul 2013 #5

Jeez, Manny-- Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #6

I love Candide MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #12

"Amo, Amas, Amat, Amamus!" markpkessinger Jul 2013 #76

American Idle Oilwellian Jul 2013 #64

It was intentional. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #125

Hey Manny, it seems to me we're on our own, lob1 Jul 2013 #7

If you think they are crazy you are only half right. Cleita Jul 2013 #9

yeah that is totally about to happen arely staircase Jul 2013 #15

Let's hope not, but it's something being discussed by some pundits. Cleita Jul 2013 #23

I have decided it isn't arely staircase Jul 2013 #30

for some reason SwampG8r Jul 2013 #80

and is there really any issue that a sizable number of Americans are willing to kill other Americans arely staircase Jul 2013 #86

love it.. funny, sad and true. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #190

Well, old white male lunatics Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #142

so over what issue do you think a substantial number of Americans will be willing to arely staircase Jul 2013 #144

You're assuming a bloody revolution. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #145

no, I'm assuming a "civil war" arely staircase Jul 2013 #146

Warfare can take many forms. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #151

and the one being discussed is arely staircase Jul 2013 #152

Because there aren't enough of us tblue Jul 2013 #61

there is no issue on the table in America currently arely staircase Jul 2013 #66

I think that is the only remedy... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #19

But the crazies can break free from their puppetmasters MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #26

I did want to expand on this myself but Godwin keeps getting in the way. Cleita Jul 2013 #27

#%^* Godwin MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #33

Thank you for saying that, Manny! markpkessinger Jul 2013 #45

incrementally as in 6 years. from 1933 to 1938 when Hitler went from pogroms to invasions Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #48

Nazism, as a political movement, arose over time from WWI . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #69

I have. I'm speaking of actual rise to power when people supported Hitler to 1938 when the world saw Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #71

You know nothing, Jon Snow, er Pretzel_Warrior. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #73

my brother and I spent years studying WW1...the "cease fire", Spanish Civil War and WW2 Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #75

Because your words seem to show it. Cleita Jul 2013 #78

that's great. I am sure you learned a lot you couldn't merely from a textbook Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #84

My father was a doughboy in WWI. He even marched to Paris and lived. Cleita Jul 2013 #92

You could be right especialy if in the next dexade or so Caucasians continue towards moinority in US lunasun Jul 2013 #138

We should all study the rise of the Third Reich MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #52

"The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer should be required Cleita Jul 2013 #65

I agree, Manny. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #117

You begin a visit to the Holocaust museum on the top floor. Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #136

And that's the thing - I've studied that period myself MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #149

So profound. chervilant Jul 2013 #193

And this is where you get answers like #48, without any thought to the fact that Cleita Jul 2013 #56

Exactly! n/t markpkessinger Jul 2013 #70

so what ideology resembling Nazism is taking hold in the US Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #74

We already have concentration camps if you haven't noticed. Cleita Jul 2013 #77

are you for real? I want Guantanamo closed as much as the next person and some kind of due process Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #82

You want it closed? It should never have been opened. The abuses that Cleita Jul 2013 #85

Well they didn't check with me before they opened it Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #87

We don't seem to be. You don't find this the same abomination Cleita Jul 2013 #90

ever heard of false equivalence? it is an insult to the millions of Jews, homosexuals, conscientious Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #93

Yes, that's the excuse. We don't exterminate Jews. I can't think of any Jewish person who would Cleita Jul 2013 #97

People are called delusional when they say there have been Nazi comparisons. great white snark Jul 2013 #112

An entire industry of private prisons is being developed in this country, woo me with science Jul 2013 #81

wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #120

+1 woo me with science Jul 2013 #166

Good take. nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #116

Agree wholeheartedly, and thank you for saying it. woo me with science Jul 2013 #88

not a civil war a revolution n/t TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #28

There was a revolution. The super-rich won while the MSM diverted our attention. We lost. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #49

that was a coup TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #111

Have nots against the haves, and the people they buy...else it would be awfully one-sided. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2013 #38

I feel the same way. forestpath Jul 2013 #10

the real republicans and the republican lites are duking it out lol nt msongs Jul 2013 #11

The predators fighting over who's getting lamb for dinner. Hydra Jul 2013 #18

The are both getting lamb... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #24

It's you nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #13

It's not just you Hydra Jul 2013 #14

I read a DOD report a long time ago predicting mass migration of people Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #54

I'm sure they are Hydra Jul 2013 #72

Yea there may be no time for issues that divide and the whole danm group needs a time out lunasun Jul 2013 #139

Not just you. My wife and I, and our daughters, speak of this often. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #16

Nope, not just you. MuseRider Jul 2013 #17

Life goes on. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #20

Nope, not just you. TDale313 Jul 2013 #21

Throwing Stones TransitJohn Jul 2013 #22

But that was when the kids did dance and shake their bones. zeemike Jul 2013 #39

No, it's definitely not just you. nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #25

I keep seeing a new kind of homeless people on the streets. people who have not robinlynne Jul 2013 #31

Me too. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #34

I have. In South America, in the 1940s when all the tinpot dictators ruled everything. Cleita Jul 2013 #98

You're not alone ornotna Jul 2013 #35

No it's not. I don't 840high Jul 2013 #47

Our biggest problem is only 20yr oil supply and 20 yr supply of potable water CK_John Jul 2013 #36

You are not alone. Lonr Jul 2013 #40

on some fronts it is getting better each day Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #41

But in the back it really, really sucks for tens of millions of people. And has for some time. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2013 #44

Nope not just you. zeemike Jul 2013 #43

It is not just you. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #50

Not just you. Mr_Jefferson_24 Jul 2013 #53

It won't end nicely. bigwillq Jul 2013 #58

No. Not when we have a president who promised to look forward and keeps dragging us back. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #60

It will not end nicely. alittlelark Jul 2013 #63

"being held hostage by crazy people". If we would quit volunteering to write the damn ransom notes jtuck004 Jul 2013 #67

Maybe ya'll should get a compound or something. DevonRex Jul 2013 #68

I apologize for saying so, but your perspective appears to be incredibly myopic Dragonfli Jul 2013 #100

What a DevonRex Jul 2013 #161

You're welcome, I have been working on my manners and I am pleased it is being noticed. Dragonfli Jul 2013 #162

I would have DevonRex Jul 2013 #163

F*cking brilliant! Couldn't agree more, thanks. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #165

This is a superb post. woo me with science Jul 2013 #189

Except, you know, it's not only the republicans screwing over the people. Apophis Jul 2013 #194

I'm sure DevonRex Jul 2013 #196

I don't look up to Greenwald. Apophis Jul 2013 #197

No, this is what it is like living in a plutocracy. Rex Jul 2013 #79

This has been going on from at least the Reagan wars. delrem Jul 2013 #83

nope, it is not just you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #89

" Is it just me?" jazzimov Jul 2013 #91

the post isn't about obama. talk about obsession. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #95

The crisis will not be averted by a cult of personality. Maedhros Jul 2013 #156

agreed. blackspade Jul 2013 #94

I'm walking on sunshine!! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #96

The internet has enabled the lunatic zealots to organize. The problem is ... Kablooie Jul 2013 #99

Manny, you should be at the beach with the rest of us! Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #101

No, it is not just you. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #103

i'm over 60. it's been appalling since & before i was born. spanone Jul 2013 #104

I'm living in Australia now — temporarily, I thought . . . MrModerate Jul 2013 #105

I CAN see how this ends nicely. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #106

RAW is correct but in order to solve this problem he knew it would require Dragonfli Jul 2013 #108

Apes with nukes. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #109

I see that aspect of things as well Dragonfli Jul 2013 #107

Things are definitely messed up. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #110

It's FUBAR, Manny. K&R n/t Enthusiast Jul 2013 #113

du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #115

Not just you, there are lots of paranoid and negative people michigandem58 Jul 2013 #118

No, it's not just you deutsey Jul 2013 #119

No it's not you. And more and more and coming to the realization every day. nt matthews Jul 2013 #121

It makes me want one of those virtual reality headsets.. ananda Jul 2013 #122

Definitely not just you.n/t BuelahWitch Jul 2013 #124

It's you, you complain a lot...I'm not the first person to tell you this either uponit7771 Jul 2013 #126

The country is in worse shape now than when Obama took office ProSense Jul 2013 #127

No, it's not just you. nt LWolf Jul 2013 #129

Yes. treestar Jul 2013 #130

I'm glad I finally got an answer from someone MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #131

Not just you by far n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #132

Hang on for a wild ride Manny... polichick Jul 2013 #134

Unfortunately, "scorched Earth" usually gets you "Norsefire". HughBeaumont Jul 2013 #143

Not just you. The neoliberal agenda has decimated countries around the world. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #135

No, it's not just you Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #137

Yes. It's you. Gird your loins. Generations before us have faced much worse and msanthrope Jul 2013 #140

Here's a simple thing I'm starting not to stand . . . HughBeaumont Jul 2013 #141

The essence of Progressivism is seeking change for the better. Maedhros Jul 2013 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #147

No, Manny. But it sucks tblue Jul 2013 #148

This has been predicted before ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #150

A Friend Of My Family Was A Jew In Germany In The 30s MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #153

Ah, so now we're Germany in the late 1930s or so. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #155

Do you mean stuff like this? Snake Plissken Jul 2013 #154

K&R for a good point and for bringing out the usual boot lickers. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #158

Not just you. ctsnowman Jul 2013 #159

No Manny, it's not just you and it's not just your country. idwiyo Jul 2013 #160

Me neither. We don't have Republicans in this country. Sarah Ibarruri Jul 2013 #164

The Downward Trend for the Working Class continues. bvar22 Jul 2013 #167

It is not just you. felix_numinous Jul 2013 #168

Calm down, Manny. Take a deep breath and repeat: "This is the best of all possible worlds." tclambert Jul 2013 #169

It's not just you Manny MissDeeds Jul 2013 #170

It's not just you, Manny! City Lights Jul 2013 #172

It's just you nt Progressive dog Jul 2013 #174

Love your bumper sticker GeoWilliam750 Jul 2013 #176

K&R LittleBlue Jul 2013 #177

Gozer worshippers may have been right. JVS Jul 2013 #179

Nope. Not just you. matt819 Jul 2013 #181

Republicans just gave up their war on gays getting married.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #182

K&R Michigan-Arizona Jul 2013 #183

No it is not just you FOR Warren 2016. We need help! glinda Jul 2013 #184

No, it's not just you bread_and_roses Jul 2013 #185

No, of course it isn't just you tavalon Jul 2013 #186

excellent metaphor Doctor_J Jul 2013 #187

I'm afraid we are rolling downhill, picking up speed, with no brakes. I'm a realist. AAO Jul 2013 #188

No it's not just you. Phlem Jul 2013 #191

It's not you. Doc_Technical Jul 2013 #192

I agree PlanetBev Jul 2013 #195