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24. Thank you. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, and I often learn more from

Fri Jul 26, 2013, 12:49 AM

Jul 2013

them than from those I agree with. I appreciate your comment. I don't know if Snowden is a great guy or not, he made a decision and knew the consequences. However, I have been listening to Democrats like Ron Wyden beginning during the Bush years where he was often a lonely voice speaking out about the dangerous threat to our freedom and rights that was being posed by the policies of the Bush years, and when he continued to try to warn us, BEFORE we ever heard of Snowden, I knew something was wrong.

His hands were tied, he was not free to reveal what he knew, but he made it clear that if the people 'knew how they are using the law (The Patriot Act) they would be angry'.

And yes, I am happy that so many Democrats did vote for the bill and according to reports there was tremendous pressure on them NOT to do so.

And yes, it's probably true that most Republicans would not have voted the way they did if a Republican had been president.

But isn't that a good thing, that by electing a Dem, we forced Republicans over to our side on some issues? Does it matter why they vote our way so long as they do?

And to be honest, I remember during the Bush years a few Republicans changing their minds, the Freedom Fries guy eg, who ended up working with Kuciinich to try to stop funding for the War in Iraq. And another Republican who complained about the pressure, the threats they were exposed to if they didn't vote the 'right' way.

Anyhow, thank you for your comment, I'm sure we agree on more than we disagree on

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Something I Noticed regarding the Difference Between Democrats and Republicans [View all] sabrina 1 Jul 2013 OP

DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #1

I agree.... We need to keep speaking out on bad policies.... midnight Jul 2013 #2

Yes, we do, despite the concerted effort to try to stop people from doing so. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #3

Very well put sabrina. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #4

I agree!! bvar22 Jul 2013 #85

Without our principles, we have no party Hydra Jul 2013 #5

Yes, one Republican party is more than this country, in fact the world, can handle. I get pretty sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #6

N/P Hydra Jul 2013 #8

Beautiful post, thank you hydra. I totally agree with you. One of the things that shocked me most sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #16

Wonderful post, Hydra, responding to Sabrina1's awesome OP. Post separately? chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #67

Here I have to part ways with you. Most are not telling people to sit down and shut up Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #15

Well, I don't see the blaming of everything on Obama, probably everyone who is a Democrat sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #20

if all arguments against Obama's record were made in the fashion yours is... Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #22

And if everyone were as willing to discuss things, even when they don't necessarily agree, as you sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #25

But you have an OP about Obama haters, that is kind of odd HangOnKids Jul 2013 #54

If you call that a thread about "Obama Haters" Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #70

Obama unilaterally imposed a 3 year moratorium on drilling in new Progressive dog Jul 2013 #103

THANK YOU Skittles Jul 2013 #7

I'll agree with this. I'd much rather be debating on here about Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #9

Me too, as I said to you above in another comment. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #53

knr forestpath Jul 2013 #10

Blind faith in any leader is stupid. Rex Jul 2013 #11

Lol, I had to read your last sentence twice, but I got it, I'm a little slow sometimes. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #35

Thanks sabrina 1 you've been knocking these topics out of the park lately! Rex Jul 2013 #87

Hey, thanks Rex! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #90

I agree. I've been discouraged previously to note the authoritarian element Marr Jul 2013 #12

True, it is a minority, just prolific and very loud, but definitely not a majority thankfully. If sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #17

K&R liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #13

Beautiful post, Sabrina. woo me with science Jul 2013 #14

Hi Woo sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #30

Hi Sabrina, woo me with science Jul 2013 #42

We certainly have many good progressives, heck, patriots actually, who have true moral backbone quinnox Jul 2013 #18

An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot. - Thomas Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #19

oh, I like that. That is beautiful. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #41

Wonderful quotes from Thomas Paine. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #83

I rarely agree with you but I am going to kick and rec this because it is true arely staircase Jul 2013 #21

Thank you. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, and I often learn more from sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #24

We're better than them. Most of us, anyway. DirkGently Jul 2013 #23

We are Democrats, Tiredofthesame Jul 2013 #26

Nice. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #27

Repeat from earlier: ''Everything's divided. Always was.'' DeSwiss Jul 2013 #28

Authoritarian goose-steppers. ErikJ Jul 2013 #29

If you think that DU Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #31

Lol, I spend most of my time in the real world, across the country, and I KNOW DU is a microcosm sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #34

the real world is full of people making minumum wage or just above it. They know what is up and most liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #36

And out comes the Label-Maker TM* Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #37

What? The Third Way is very proud of their position in the Democratic Party and proudly posts their sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #38

Give it up, sabrina1 Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #44

Which opinions would those be? Provide some examples of these 'RW and Libertarians and wingnuts you sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #48

So not playing this fucking game. Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #49

I said DU was representative of DEMOCRATS as a whole. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #50

Like I said at the outset ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #51

I will keep telling myself. I know democrats, and DU is representative of them, sorry you don't like sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #52

Oh, honey, I KNOW you like it! Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #56

That comment is so full of nonsense I wouldn't know where to begin. Starting with sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #58

"So not playing this fucking game" Maedhros Jul 2013 #137

Really? Please, enlighten me. What are Democrats in the "Real World" saying? cheapdate Jul 2013 #112

seems pretty much like our DEC to me. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #80

No, really, all you have to do is actually interact with real Democrats in the real world Zorra Jul 2013 #124

DU now has very little to do with Democrats ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #130

Please read this link: Maedhros Jul 2013 #138

What you said sabrina. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #32

Woot Woot. great white snark Jul 2013 #33

Me too 'first of many'. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #40

Great post! Dragonfli Jul 2013 #39

I must admit the vote in the House on the Amash/Conyers Bill which would have at least put breaks Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #43

Yes, we lost that by only 12 votes and according to reports from some of the members, the pressure sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #46

appropriations vs authorization -- the fight isn't over. authorization is next. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #79

Another bill is about to be introduced I believe and I just read that Al Franken is sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #84

This shit is keeping people up at night! I was writing about this at 2:59 am when you posted carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #81

House Democrats live up to this despite their leaders carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #45

Yes, and as I said in the comment above on the Amash/Conyers Amendment, they were under great sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #47

Excellent Post! DU has always been a "critical mass" in my eyes. True democracy! nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #55

You didn't read conservative activist forums, then Recursion Jul 2013 #57

Not everything is about the President. I can speak only for myself, but everything is about sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #88

Sadly, Recursion, you speak truth... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #104

Do not speak for me, I do not know you. I spent years interacting with Bush bots and not one sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #110

Sabrina, you are misinterpreting the "they" in my post ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #119

If you know these kind of 'extremists' then speak for yourself. Most DUers don't hang out with sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #121

Sabrina... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #123

Now I get to repeat what I always do when someone has nothing, which you can always tell. How? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #133

K and R bigwillq Jul 2013 #59

This is where the argument breaks down ProSense Jul 2013 #60

You just linked me to two of your own posts. I don't have time to wade through all that. Were YOU sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #61

I guess you're going to pretend not to understand the point. ProSense Jul 2013 #62

I'm not pretending not to understand the point. I'm not here to take a college course in sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #64

"You just linked me to two of your own posts." Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #63

Lol, you're right, it doesn't! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #65

If the links are a problem ProSense Jul 2013 #66

Needs more links Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #68

I'm not principled, progressive and self-righteous enough to oppose "links" ProSense Jul 2013 #69

Only two blue links? Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #71

Oh my ProSense Jul 2013 #72

"Oh my" Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #73

I'm impressed. ProSense Jul 2013 #74

"I'm impressed" Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #76

Link? Fuddnik Jul 2013 #99

+1 nashville_brook Jul 2013 #78

I think that it sometimes a matter of picking our battles Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #75

I definitely agree with this: sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #82

You raise important points that the so-called "pure" democrats, as they call themselves, have bluestate10 Jul 2013 #98

Here we go again with that false claim about Democrats 'sitting at home' in 2010. That is completely sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #114

excellent, cogent analysis of discourse here on DU. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #77

Excellent! bvar22 Jul 2013 #86

Thank you, there are a lot of reasons to come to DU, people like eg, are among them. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #89

Thank you for speaking for so many of us, for speaking for me Sabrina Catherina Jul 2013 #91

And we have noticed that you ... 99Forever Jul 2013 #92

Sabrina's a true DU treasure, someone whose positions have remained constant Catherina Jul 2013 #93

Her strong principles and... 99Forever Jul 2013 #94

Yeah, I know what you mean ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #100

And you took that seriously, did you? Actually my real position on those comments is that no one sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #116

I took your comments seriously Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #118

As I've said so often before, deciding whether or not one is being complimented or attacked can be sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #122

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #95

well said sabrina stupidicus Jul 2013 #96

Completely wrong treestar Jul 2013 #97

You're literally talking to a brick wall. You can't reason with people who think bluestate10 Jul 2013 #102

"The far left" YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #126

I suspect treestar's notion of far left hootinholler Jul 2013 #131

People so far to the left that they think treestar Jul 2013 #136

Great post. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #101

That "For King and Country" misplaced loyalty is justly ridiculed here. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #105

A Democrat is an old guy on a park bench who feeds the pigeons crumbs. valerief Jul 2013 #106

Never heard that before, but I like it! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #113

Thanks. I thought of this a few years ago and have posted it here a few times. valerief Jul 2013 #120

Wonderful post, Sabrina. K&R myrna minx Jul 2013 #107

Hello Sabrina, this is Drew from the NSA, I see you got a new tablet with windows 8 recently Drew Richards Jul 2013 #108

Hi Drew, this is Sabrina from the TSA. Do you recall passing through the Rapiscan on your last sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #111

Hahahahaha have I told you lately that I love your sense of humor? Drew Richards Jul 2013 #115

Lol, likewise. Wait, you WERE kidding, weren't you? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #117

Well said and just look at the names that cropped up to try and detract from it. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #109

Look at the names, just look at the names! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #125

What a thoroughly typical non-reply from one of the most steadfast. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #128

I gotta admit, their dedication in trying to move DU and the Dem party as far to the right Zorra Jul 2013 #127

Well, I'm not sure that would help, but then I'm a cynical leftist bastard. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #129

Like there is a real left, left in the US. hootinholler Jul 2013 #132

I'm of the opinion the ptb knew the 'bot psychology' would be similar on the democratic side whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #134

Hahaha! I talk about that here Catherina Jul 2013 #135

K&R blackspade Jul 2013 #139

Late to the thread, but here's another K&R suffragette Jul 2013 #140