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ProSense

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4. Senator Wyden
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jul 2013

destroys bogus claims about Prism. In fact, made it clear the distinction between the domestic program and PRISM.

Even after those disclosures, there has been an effort by officials to exaggerate the effectiveness of the bulk phone records collection program by conflating it with the collection of Internet communications under section 702 of the FISA statute. This collection, which involves the PRISM computer system, has produced some information of real value. I will note that last summer I was able to get the executive branch to declassify the fact that the FISA Court has ruled on at least one occasion that this collection violated the Fourth Amendment in a way that affected an undisclosed number of Americans. And the Court also said that the government has violated the spirit of the law as well. So, I think section 702 clearly needs stronger protections for the privacy of law-abiding Americans, and I think these protections could be added without losing the value of this collection. But I won’t deny that this value exists. Meanwhile, I have not seen any indication that the bulk phone records program yielded any unique intelligence that was not also available to the government through less intrusive means. When government officials refer to these programs collectively, and say that “these programs” provided unique intelligence without pointing out that one program is doing all the work and the other is basically just along for the ride, in my judgment that is also a misleading statement.

http://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/blog/post/wyden-on-nsa-domestic-surveillance

Of course, Snowden's distortions and international adventure served to shift the focus to all sorts of misinformation about PRISM, which focuses on foreign targets.

Senator Slams Domestic Spying: ‘Secret Law Has No Place In America’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023322100



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Proud to rec this expose of the enemy within cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #1
Comparing Center for American Progress with Cato or Alex Jones is very offensive... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #2
you've completely lost me -- now please explain how on earth the Cato Institute is any different at Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #6
Oh dear. I was afraid the OP wasn't sarcasm. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #9
I still can't tell... AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #50
I can't either Aerows Jul 2013 #96
I'm glad I "lost" you because your posts have been so offensive I just don't intend to bother. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #14
I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and I'm pretty sure .... Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2013 #21
Perhaps-- and granted I'm in a typical work day hurry, but I don't find this clever... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #27
The OP is the one who falls into the 'poorly crafted attempts at satire' trap Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #31
you got me... at least someone does Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #32
I'm simply asking a question - how on earth is the Cato Institute any different even in the slightest Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #26
Well, CATO was founded by Charles Koch in 1974 BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #45
you know there is always a possibily that someone saying something completey crazy might be trying Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #49
Since this is a rather serious discussion board BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #52
Insinuating that DU'ers are calling Wyden and Conyers "Paulbots" is disgusting. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #81
was not insinuating that at all - and I cannot for the life of me imagine why you would think that Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #89
The insinuation comes across loud and clear, unintended or not. Maybe take bluenorthwest's advice emulatorloo Jul 2013 #95
I rejoice in the 43 recommendation which does tell me that many people here and probably most do Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #108
Well bless your little heart. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #112
thank you Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #117
Your slanderous broad-brush smears of Conyers & Wyden are despicable. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #102
please tell me that you're are being ironic and that you're not missing the point I was making Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #106
Pssssssssst… Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #65
Read my other posts. Even if meant to be hlthe2b Jul 2013 #85
Wyden: How many boxes in his garage? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #3
+1000. That's what SERIOUS Americans want to know. reformist2 Jul 2013 #24
Do his neighbors like him? Aerows Jul 2013 #98
Senator Wyden ProSense Jul 2013 #4
So it's sarcasm. ananda Jul 2013 #5
what do you mean? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #7
Are you talking about the original, now notorious, post that this parodies? leveymg Jul 2013 #10
I believe the OP is satire. Maybe the OP needs to use the sarcasm tag though, but I am certain sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #13
I wish that were the case, but from his defensive responses, I'd guess not. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #17
If a post as obviously sarcastic as this OP needs snort Jul 2013 #63
if somehow through it all I have contributed to exposing just how absurd it is to suggest that those Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #66
Poe's Law strikes again. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #67
self-delete hlthe2b Jul 2013 #15
If the OP hasn't directly indicated with an emoticon or comment that it is satire... I assume it is hlthe2b Jul 2013 #18
I have seen proof-positive from some posters that John Conyers is really Ron Paul's sock puppet leveymg Jul 2013 #8
It all has to do with sapping our precious bodily fluids deutsey Jul 2013 #11
Strategic Air Command: "Peace is our Profession." "Gentlemen, no fighting in the War Room!" leveymg Jul 2013 #35
Outstanding. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #12
Beware of the PaulBots UglyGreed Jul 2013 #16
You're going to lead to the desperately needed upgrading of a lot of snark detectors Fumesucker Jul 2013 #19
I got the snark Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #20
Not in the Biblical sense I trust Fumesucker Jul 2013 #22
LL's problems are just beginning. lol n\t Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #28
Kick to expose the traitorous Sen Wyden LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #23
! xchrom Jul 2013 #25
You can hear the cuckoo's chirping! Fuddnik Jul 2013 #46
I can not UNREC this enough PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #29
what do you mean? Are you seriously suggesting that Conyers and Wyden are not Paulbots? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #30
I am suggesting that Wyden is a better Senator than you are satirist. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #33
100% agree Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #34
Your 'satire' is mediocre hack work and you follow it with rudeness and snark Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #36
I 100% agree that we don't 100% agree. Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #38
That settles it. I'm convinced. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #53
I'm glad somebody does Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #57
Smug and rude and without the courage to actually say what you mean is all it is Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #75
well said, thank you.n/t emulatorloo Jul 2013 #83
your right Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #111
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries. reformist2 Jul 2013 #103
well that's true - but how did you know? Are you with the NSA? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #110
JURY RESULTS say meh :shrug: whttevrr Jul 2013 #39
Sarcasm? My goodness!! Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #40
Then why did you act like an ass whenever anyone asked if it was sarcasm? whttevrr Jul 2013 #42
frankly no one has actually asked me if it was sarcasm. They seemed to either assume it was or Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #43
Except here... whttevrr Jul 2013 #51
And that is where the poster crosses into weeds. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #78
In this place, you need to nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #61
you're probably right.. but I ... well you know - Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #62
It's very obvious sarcasm, IF... Oilwellian Jul 2013 #76
This is Alex Jones level nonsense AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #37
One can never be too diligent in rooting out Alex Jones sympathizers LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #41
There are no Alex Jones sympathizers on DU AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #47
That may not be true. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #55
Thanks for the link Progressive dog Jul 2013 #115
The OP is like something straight out of Alex Jones ... meegbear Jul 2013 #44
It's how they 'support' Obama AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #48
Alert sent. Coyotl Jul 2013 #54
please reference post # 49 Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #56
This belongs on literallyunbelievable.org limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #58
Perhaps you could tie Obama and the NSA's "side" to Michele Bachmann on spying issues, etc... cascadiance Jul 2013 #59
+10 Sadly true. RC Jul 2013 #68
LOL Oilwellian Jul 2013 #79
Widen has gotten nuttier. SoapBox Jul 2013 #60
Did YOU forget a sarcasm tag also? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #64
Rec'd because I know this is sarcasm but I recommend use of the sarcasm tag Catherina Jul 2013 #69
rec'd for the sharpness of the sarcasm without even looking at the thread carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #70
guessing some do see the sarcasm but are pretending not to, just to act offended limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #86
I certainly hope so - I really, really do want to believe that liberals on DU are smarter than Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #114
Probably I was wrong. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #116
Fuck your headline. And once you are done doing that emulatorloo Jul 2013 #71
+1 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #84
I was not insinuating that at all. In fact that interpretation never cross my mind until I read your Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #94
Haven't you heard? 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #104
Wyden supports keeping the PRISM program arely staircase Jul 2013 #72
His post is all about insinuating that DU'ers have called Conyers and Wyden "Paulbots" emulatorloo Jul 2013 #77
I know and it is bullshit arely staircase Jul 2013 #80
Pure mean-spirited and pointless divisiveness. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #88
too bad this barely made it past a jury arely staircase Jul 2013 #92
was not insinuating that at all -I cannot even imagine where you got the idea I was insinuating that Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #91
See my reply above. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #97
Ron Wyden is nothing more than a Republican posing as a Democrat. QC Jul 2013 #73
Wow. bvar22 Jul 2013 #109
Wyden has been in government since 1981 railsback Jul 2013 #74
He's my Senator and this is not a new issue for Wyden, he has been warning us Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #82
If he had been on this issue for years, people would have heard him railsback Jul 2013 #90
Perhaps you might have noticed if you'd been paying attention then... cascadiance Jul 2013 #113
Oh, that's going to leave a mark! Hydra Jul 2013 #87
It is a crying shame the UnRecommend feature is gone, because this post is lunacy. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #93
I'm getting the impression you missed the point I was getting at Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #100
if "Oregon or Washington or one of those unknown states" didn't clue you in carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #101
thank you Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #105
Your right! The progressive wing of the Democratic Party has... blackspade Jul 2013 #99
thanks for the 40+ recommends.. I rejoice to know some folks have some critical faculties Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #107
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