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In reply to the discussion: Paulbot nut Sen Ron (Paul) Wyden comes unhinged - explodes into wild conspiracy theory while giving [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)4. Senator Wyden
destroys bogus claims about Prism. In fact, made it clear the distinction between the domestic program and PRISM.
Even after those disclosures, there has been an effort by officials to exaggerate the effectiveness of the bulk phone records collection program by conflating it with the collection of Internet communications under section 702 of the FISA statute. This collection, which involves the PRISM computer system, has produced some information of real value. I will note that last summer I was able to get the executive branch to declassify the fact that the FISA Court has ruled on at least one occasion that this collection violated the Fourth Amendment in a way that affected an undisclosed number of Americans. And the Court also said that the government has violated the spirit of the law as well. So, I think section 702 clearly needs stronger protections for the privacy of law-abiding Americans, and I think these protections could be added without losing the value of this collection. But I wont deny that this value exists. Meanwhile, I have not seen any indication that the bulk phone records program yielded any unique intelligence that was not also available to the government through less intrusive means. When government officials refer to these programs collectively, and say that these programs provided unique intelligence without pointing out that one program is doing all the work and the other is basically just along for the ride, in my judgment that is also a misleading statement.
http://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/blog/post/wyden-on-nsa-domestic-surveillance
http://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/blog/post/wyden-on-nsa-domestic-surveillance
Of course, Snowden's distortions and international adventure served to shift the focus to all sorts of misinformation about PRISM, which focuses on foreign targets.
Senator Slams Domestic Spying: Secret Law Has No Place In America
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023322100
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Paulbot nut Sen Ron (Paul) Wyden comes unhinged - explodes into wild conspiracy theory while giving [View all]
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
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Comparing Center for American Progress with Cato or Alex Jones is very offensive...
hlthe2b
Jul 2013
#2
you've completely lost me -- now please explain how on earth the Cato Institute is any different at
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#6
I'm glad I "lost" you because your posts have been so offensive I just don't intend to bother.
hlthe2b
Jul 2013
#14
I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and I'm pretty sure ....
Hassin Bin Sober
Jul 2013
#21
Perhaps-- and granted I'm in a typical work day hurry, but I don't find this clever...
hlthe2b
Jul 2013
#27
The OP is the one who falls into the 'poorly crafted attempts at satire' trap
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#31
I'm simply asking a question - how on earth is the Cato Institute any different even in the slightest
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#26
you know there is always a possibily that someone saying something completey crazy might be trying
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#49
Insinuating that DU'ers are calling Wyden and Conyers "Paulbots" is disgusting.
emulatorloo
Jul 2013
#81
was not insinuating that at all - and I cannot for the life of me imagine why you would think that
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#89
The insinuation comes across loud and clear, unintended or not. Maybe take bluenorthwest's advice
emulatorloo
Jul 2013
#95
I rejoice in the 43 recommendation which does tell me that many people here and probably most do
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#108
please tell me that you're are being ironic and that you're not missing the point I was making
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#106
I believe the OP is satire. Maybe the OP needs to use the sarcasm tag though, but I am certain
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#13
if somehow through it all I have contributed to exposing just how absurd it is to suggest that those
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#66
If the OP hasn't directly indicated with an emoticon or comment that it is satire... I assume it is
hlthe2b
Jul 2013
#18
I have seen proof-positive from some posters that John Conyers is really Ron Paul's sock puppet
leveymg
Jul 2013
#8
Strategic Air Command: "Peace is our Profession." "Gentlemen, no fighting in the War Room!"
leveymg
Jul 2013
#35
You're going to lead to the desperately needed upgrading of a lot of snark detectors
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#19
what do you mean? Are you seriously suggesting that Conyers and Wyden are not Paulbots?
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#30
Your 'satire' is mediocre hack work and you follow it with rudeness and snark
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#36
Smug and rude and without the courage to actually say what you mean is all it is
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#75
frankly no one has actually asked me if it was sarcasm. They seemed to either assume it was or
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#43
Perhaps you could tie Obama and the NSA's "side" to Michele Bachmann on spying issues, etc...
cascadiance
Jul 2013
#59
rec'd for the sharpness of the sarcasm without even looking at the thread
carolinayellowdog
Jul 2013
#70
guessing some do see the sarcasm but are pretending not to, just to act offended
limpyhobbler
Jul 2013
#86
I certainly hope so - I really, really do want to believe that liberals on DU are smarter than
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#114
I was not insinuating that at all. In fact that interpretation never cross my mind until I read your
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#94
His post is all about insinuating that DU'ers have called Conyers and Wyden "Paulbots"
emulatorloo
Jul 2013
#77
was not insinuating that at all -I cannot even imagine where you got the idea I was insinuating that
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#91
He's my Senator and this is not a new issue for Wyden, he has been warning us
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#82
It is a crying shame the UnRecommend feature is gone, because this post is lunacy.
1-Old-Man
Jul 2013
#93
if "Oregon or Washington or one of those unknown states" didn't clue you in
carolinayellowdog
Jul 2013
#101
thanks for the 40+ recommends.. I rejoice to know some folks have some critical faculties
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#107