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44. Depends on what you mean by "divided"

Fri Jul 26, 2013, 10:59 AM

Jul 2013

The Democratic party is a big tent. I suspect the diversity of opinion "out there" matches DU to some extent (I certainly know plenty of Dems who support the president unhesitatingly, and plenty who are deeply disappointed in him; plenty on either side of the NSA question; plenty on either side of the drone question; etc.).

Where DU differs is not in the kind of disagreement, but the intensity: I know of no Dems in the real world who are threating not to vote Dem at all if Hillary gets nominated, but I see that here all the time (of course, it might just be bravado, the way all the I-m-never-voting-for-Romney talk was on Freep); nor do I know any Dems in the real world who would excoriate those who question the president as naifs, or traitors, or saboteurs -- but I see that here all the time, too.

So maybe face-to-face discussions are more temperate, or maybe I just hang around with a less extreme class of people. But I do think that's the difference: same divisions, less rancor.

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Is the Democratic Party as divided nationally as DU? [View all] kentuck Jul 2013 OP

Some claim that this rift only exists on DU whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #1

"if facebook and the blogosphere are any indication" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #8

Care to elaborate? whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #13

What you see on Facebook is tailored to your views, interests, friends, etc. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #25

Yes, most of my actual friends are liberals whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #29

Others claim it is the professional trolls Coyotl Jul 2013 #52

DU absolutely has its paid astroturfers. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #57

They stick out like sore thumbs AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #156

I suspect that there are pretty few professional trolls here karynnj Jul 2013 #99

Sometimes thinking some are trolls. Notafraidtoo Jul 2013 #109

I think with the new DU3 a lot of conservatives came on board. kentuck Jul 2013 #112

You may be right Kentuck. But I am not sure. There are some cliques on DU that attempt bluestate10 Jul 2013 #128

I think one of the purposes of the new DU3... kentuck Jul 2013 #132

I'm thinking it is more than a third at this point. Jamastiene Jul 2013 #136

If there is a rift here, it's not between Dems. ananda Jul 2013 #2

Nah, both sides say that, and it's complete BS for the most part Recursion Jul 2013 #5

What? antiquie Jul 2013 #7

Oh, yes, PLEASE elaborate. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #22

You mean those of us who still cling to progressive values, MindPilot Jul 2013 #61

Sure, if that's how you have to see it. That's kind of an example of my point Recursion Jul 2013 #62

"your candidates"? kentuck Jul 2013 #64

Too young for the first two, yes for the second Recursion Jul 2013 #72

Move on to what? More of the same? MindPilot Jul 2013 #69

I agree, but not fully. The fight is between different views of how to accomplish bluestate10 Jul 2013 #138

That's a terribly simplistic view. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #59

Here is my opinion Andy823 Jul 2013 #79

That is reasonable, but not what was stated in the post to which I replied. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #90

I hear you Andy823 Jul 2013 #107

If so, our national pollsters are fantastically wrong (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #3

Yes, the division is national, and throughout our party Savannahmann Jul 2013 #4

Disagreement in a single vote is not proof of a 'rift'--indeed unlike at DU geek tragedy Jul 2013 #15

It is a pretty good litmus test marions ghost Jul 2013 #31

Ask President Edwards and Vice-President Kucinich. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #6

/thread...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #10

Not representative of the liberal wing of the Dem party? marions ghost Jul 2013 #33

president has over 90 percent approval among real world liberals arely staircase Jul 2013 #58

I tell that to pollsters too even though it is not how I feel anymore. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #110

why would you do that? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #113

They think that one is a clever way to dismiss the polls that show treestar Jul 2013 #115

I do it so that he maintains some sort of positive rating Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #127

So how many times have you been called by pollsters? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #129

Several. Around every month to 6 weeks someone calls. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #134

I have been voting since 1988 and have been called twice. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #137

I have been voting since the early 70s. Most ever for me this year. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #141

That one is as lame as it gets treestar Jul 2013 #114

"real world liberals" marions ghost Jul 2013 #142

DU used to be exactly that. MindPilot Jul 2013 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author JoePhilly Jul 2013 #51

^^^^ This ^^^^ JoePhilly Jul 2013 #53

I honestly believe some people are upset sweetloukillbot Jul 2013 #135

The old axiom edhopper Jul 2013 #9

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #11

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #12

Ron Paul Tourettes? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #23

First post talking about a "realignment of both parties" with the usual geek tragedy Jul 2013 #26

These are "Paulbot" talking points? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #34

It is very much in line with the standard RW Libertarian talking points meant to "find common arely staircase Jul 2013 #60

wow.. "fuck ron paul" gets hidden now! lol dionysus Jul 2013 #65

Perhaps it was misinterpreted as: kentuck Jul 2013 #66

WTF? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #81

shocked, shocked i tell you! dionysus Jul 2013 #84

Fuck Ron Paul. n/t zappaman Jul 2013 #118

and the bad toupe he rode in on.... dionysus Jul 2013 #120

Oh, and fuck Rand Paul too! n/t zappaman Jul 2013 #121

No. Irrelevant, rude, and dismissive drek that contributed nothing got hidden. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #123

you guys don't worry me, you're my main source of free entertainment. dionysus Jul 2013 #143

Not only that but I love all the open-armed welcomes to a troll that got booted ten minutes later. Number23 Jul 2013 #140

Wow...indeed... one_voice Jul 2013 #150

Yep - and I can't BELIEVE your post was hidden. cyberswede Jul 2013 #126

We're not all nasty assholes, welcome to DU! Fumesucker Jul 2013 #19

Yeah, you can ignore our Unofficial Greeter Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #24

The core questions marions ghost Jul 2013 #35

Welcome to DU nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #75

Evidence of reality: ProSense Jul 2013 #14

Thanks for proving the point. kentuck Jul 2013 #20

yeah.....people hanging out on DU with motives that do not seem to align with a Dem Presidency n/t Sheepshank Jul 2013 #104

We self describe ourselfs as a coalition ceonupe Jul 2013 #16

80% of the party or more Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #17

Cling tightly to FDR values. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #18

Out of curiosity, what do you consider FDR values? PragmaticLiberal Jul 2013 #28

The principles of the second new deal. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #108

I think a lot of people have left the Democratic Party Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #21

Of course we have to still vote Dem and the party exploits this marions ghost Jul 2013 #39

Same way people in a small town shop at Wal*Mart MindPilot Jul 2013 #85

I think a lot of people have been left by the Democratic Party. winter is coming Jul 2013 #153

DEAD. ON! Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #157

Political Fatigue... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #27

467% of liberal Democrats say no. eom TransitJohn Jul 2013 #30

Lol... n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #32

Simple answer from Iowa.. No Peacetrain Jul 2013 #36

So they lived in Iowa City or Dubuque. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #54

No they lived in another state Peacetrain Jul 2013 #56

The Democratic Party went through this in the late 1940s and again during the Vietnam War. leveymg Jul 2013 #37

Here we go again... TreasonousBastard Jul 2013 #38

I'm on a local Democratic Committee here in the DC burbs. Agree with your assessment. leveymg Jul 2013 #41

No. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #40

Yes. And no one can deny that Congress and journalists sure are n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #42

I find this pretty rich comng from you Sheepshank Jul 2013 #43

When I click on your profile... kentuck Jul 2013 #49

yeah, there are a few people that have disgusted me on GD Sheepshank Jul 2013 #50

Unfortunately... kentuck Jul 2013 #68

yeah...sure...right Sheepshank Jul 2013 #78

I voted for Barack Obama twice .. kentuck Jul 2013 #82

yah here we go..."feet to the fire". But that's NOT what you do, post after post. Sheepshank Jul 2013 #86

Well, I'm sorry if you are "demoralized"... kentuck Jul 2013 #95

nice. Sheepshank Jul 2013 #100

Well... kentuck Jul 2013 #102

prove it Sheepshank Jul 2013 #105

+1 Thank you! treestar Jul 2013 #116

Traitor. kentuck Jul 2013 #117

Kentuck seems to be a far Left poster with more of a Socialist-Libertarian strain. I have bluestate10 Jul 2013 #145

An effective analysis, Sheepshank. freshwest Aug 2013 #158

Depends on what you mean by "divided" Proud Public Servant Jul 2013 #44

I don't think so. The 2012 elections seem to demonstrate MineralMan Jul 2013 #45

The 2010 elections seemed to demonstrate it is. We'll see in 2014. leveymg Jul 2013 #47

Yes, perhaps we will. MineralMan Jul 2013 #48

The 2010 election was an out-lier. Republicans lied through their teeth and took advantage bluestate10 Jul 2013 #146

I hope you're right, but can't really agree with your cheery prognosis. leveymg Jul 2013 #147

No, I believe most just follow the (D) Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #46

no arely staircase Jul 2013 #55

Depends on the issue, I think. BlueCheese Jul 2013 #63

If my local party is any indication...yes nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #67

Nah. Most don't have the time to sit around and dwell on off-the-wall issues. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #70

I guess an off the wall issue is a living wage nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #73

See: My signature. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #74

And here that is also an off the wall issue nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #77

What a bunch of horseshit! kentuck Jul 2013 #76

And therein lies the crux of the problem; style over substance. MindPilot Jul 2013 #80

+1 QC Jul 2013 #87

+1000000 Jamastiene Jul 2013 #139

This should be an OP. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #154

No. Rex Jul 2013 #83

A "Fuck Ron Paul" post was hidden on DU?? sufrommich Jul 2013 #88

Says plenty doesn't it? n/t JTFrog Jul 2013 #89

Sadly, yes it does. t sufrommich Jul 2013 #92

Those jury members need to be shown the door. Obvious trolls. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #93

It was in response to a post. kentuck Jul 2013 #94

After I am done educating them it will be. mick063 Jul 2013 #91

Not really karynnj Jul 2013 #96

I think DU is reflective of the whole of America. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #97

I like that sigline: kentuck Jul 2013 #98

Can you imagine how hard it was to take that attitude with people that, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #101

At that time there existed speakers of such eloquence and experience... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #130

And speaking of excellent sig lines... Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #133

Allan Bloom discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #144

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #119

It's called disturbing the peace... kentuck Jul 2013 #122

Soon, none of your posts will be here. cyberswede Jul 2013 #124

Wow. Who was it that got 'stoned? eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #148

I think it was a troll, ironically named "ethicsfirst" cyberswede Jul 2013 #149

Says "Member since: 2003" Kolesar Jul 2013 #151

Yep - that's a generic "name removed" date cyberswede Jul 2013 #152

I think it was the post below yours that was hidden. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #125

Democrats on DU aren't divided. The Greenwald crowd is divided from the Democrats. nt DevonRex Jul 2013 #103

imo elected Dems tossed out that compass ages ago... polichick Jul 2013 #106

Every bit as divided. beevul Jul 2013 #111

Many local Democrats where I live might as well be Republicans. Jamastiene Jul 2013 #131

I don't know anyone in the party celebrating the Zimmerman acquittal Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #155