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JoePhilly

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32. The fact that you do not like how the FISA court operates, or how the judges

Fri Jul 26, 2013, 11:49 AM

Jul 2013

who sit on it are selected, does not turn "data mining", into "spying".

There are lots of things about the FISA court that could and should be improved.

But none of that turns mining meta data into spying either.

See, what I actually defend is the importance of getting the details right.

The people who are running around screaming about "spying", screaming that the 4th amendment has been "executed", screaming that we live in a "totalitarian police state" or screaming that the government is "demanding" passwords when in fact the "requests" that they make are perfectly legal, are not helping anyone get to the actual details of any of what's going on.

But that is not their goal.

Their goal is to use misleading terms and wild hyperbole to create outrage and generate eyeballs for their sites.

And it seems to be an effective tactic.

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Feds tell Web firms to turn over user account passwords [View all] dkf Jul 2013 OP

Well, this will stop the "I don't care if they spy, I'm not doing anything wrong" crowd dorkzilla Jul 2013 #1

Or catch an online predator. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #5

Ahh so thats going to be the latest excuse? Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #6

Next we'll hear that the government can request to see your JoePhilly Jul 2013 #9

A TV show? Law & Order is not a documentary. KurtNYC Jul 2013 #14

I figured I'd reference a source that would keep it JoePhilly Jul 2013 #19

Oh here we go...n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #7

WTF!!! WTF!!! WTF!!! US = United Surveillance. Of course, those saying they have RKP5637 Jul 2013 #2

k&r Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #3

They "demand" or "request" ... which is it? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #4

More Gasoline For The Pants On Fire Crowd... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #8

YUP ... I'm shocked to learn that the police try to get IDs and Passwords JoePhilly Jul 2013 #10

You'd Think We've Have Zero Unemployment... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #11

They use computers, searching for key words and phrases. RC Jul 2013 #17

If The Government... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #18

To begin with, there are very few to no tracking cookies on any of the computers I am responsible RC Jul 2013 #22

And now we are all Will Smith in Enemy of the State. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #20

You can buy enough computer power for less than $2000, retail RC Jul 2013 #23

Why would the government "request" passwords if they already JoePhilly Jul 2013 #25

Here: RC Jul 2013 #30

Well, that limits the applicability of the 'they are only interested in metadata' arguments HereSince1628 Jul 2013 #12

Gee, your post seems to have shut them up for a bit. RC Jul 2013 #15

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #13

Worthwhile topic, but a poor article cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #16

Its designed to create outrage, not enlighten anyone. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #21

They first have to spy, to get the data to mine. RC Jul 2013 #24

No, as we've discussed, they get a warrant. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #26

A secret warrant, from a secret court, appointed by Justice John G. Roberts RC Jul 2013 #29

The fact that you do not like how the FISA court operates, or how the judges JoePhilly Jul 2013 #32

So you do support the government hoovering up our private data into huge data bases, to mine later. RC Jul 2013 #33

Your inability to talk in anything but generalities makes JoePhilly Jul 2013 #34

Apparently I am better informed than you. RC Jul 2013 #35

As pointed out above � 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #37

When I started thinking, "There's a new one every day," years ago... woo me with science Jul 2013 #27

"legal requests" and it "it could be used for..." Sheepshank Jul 2013 #28

Why do they need the passwords? bunnies Jul 2013 #31

Interesting comments following the article. Laelth Jul 2013 #36