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Dragonfli

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30. People that think we would or have EVER tortured do not understand.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 02:00 PM
Jul 2013

That words and definitions need to evolve with our actions over time, for instance the ignorant once thought that a President ordering the testicles of a child to be crushed would be illegal under torture laws, reasonable men such as John Yoo put that old fashioned misconception to rest by explaining that the meaning of the act depends entirely on why the balls are being crushed.

I am sure that Holder consults the office of legal counsel (and possibly noted torture experts such as John Yoo) to make sure any actions taken against someone once in custody would not be considered torture under current law due to the pressing security concerns that may require "certain actions".

That the ignorant may misinterpret such actions as torture using quant but outdated notions of how torture was defined before pressing needs redefined the meaning of words to match the post 911 reality is unfortunate but naive.

There are similar misconceptions regarding old definitions of the word reasonable before the meaning was modified to keep up with modern spy technology.

A more current and accurate definition is obviously that everything is reasonable and so all searches are reasonable regardless of the size of the net or lack of probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The office of legal council will assure that extradited prisoners will most assuredly not be tortured as defined by them, and they are always right about such things. Other countries should simply defer to this axiom.

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Kick,,,, I self kicked it Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #1
Legitimate concerns by the Dutch. The Link Jul 2013 #2
They are a bunch of Ron Paul Liberals in Holland Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #4
Bingo.... Swede Atlanta Jul 2013 #6
pretzel logic--he was tortured in Pakistan by the Pakistanis after being geek tragedy Jul 2013 #3
US involvement in his torture is questioned. Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #5
It's 100% speculation. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #10
Yes those dirty dutch traitors Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #17
Okay. Tell us what you know about the US's role in this guy's arrest geek tragedy Jul 2013 #19
CIA and the Pakistanis. Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #21
So, you have no knowledge of any US role in this guy's arrest. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #22
None of those articles mention Sabir K. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #24
Ask Maher Ahar about it Hydra Jul 2013 #25
There was never any doubt about the US role in Maher Ahar's case. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #26
Where are all of these terrorists then? Hydra Jul 2013 #29
Ya. It really doesn't make much sense. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #7
Remember the Dutch Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #13
I know...I've been to the Netherlands and smoked shitloads of weed Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #16
The US has used third countries to torture through its extraordinary rendition programs. morningfog Jul 2013 #9
The guy was in Pakistan. Who's supposed to arrest him in Pakistan but the Pakistanis? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #11
Well, since we won all of the hearts and minds in the Middle East... joeybee12 Jul 2013 #8
Hey, if the Netherlands wants to make itself known as a haven for terrorists to avoid geek tragedy Jul 2013 #12
The Netherlands must hate our freedoms! joeybee12 Jul 2013 #14
No, just willing to let themselves be the #1 jihadi sanctuary in Europe geek tragedy Jul 2013 #18
The international reputation of the US keeps sliding lower and lower. reformist2 Jul 2013 #15
I really hate being the bad guys. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #20
But it is legal now! Worked hard to make sure we don't call it torture. Rex Jul 2013 #23
Somebody remind me about how we're loved around the world now. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #27
Pres Obama made a big f'ing mistake AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #28
People that think we would or have EVER tortured do not understand. Dragonfli Jul 2013 #30
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