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56. EXACTLY!!!

Fri Jul 26, 2013, 10:26 PM

Jul 2013

THIS should be it's own OP... because they nullified all the rules and eroded our freedoms very easily and quietly, dismantled them bit by bit...so now ANYONE can vanish down the memory hole, and....look! over there!....something new and shiny!

and it will happen again & again... even more so when we have a rethug pres (and it is bound to happen) anyone who dissents or whistleblows...
did you see this article? someone posted a link i think on another thread:[link: http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/edward-snowden-bradley-manning-and-the-war-whistleblowers-223545?page=0,1|
Those who manage the agencies got off scott free, while the whistleblowers get hung out to dry]

all the pieces of the game have been put into place, legally, we no longer have a Bill of Rights,really...it's just a farce

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Snowden has publicly claimed he will be tortured or killed. Holder has assured Russia he won't [View all] Recursion Jul 2013 OP

Speaking of crazy, it will be fun to see how many respond to your OP Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #1

Holder won't ? warrant46 Jul 2013 #29

Our government since 2001 has not been very above board and transparent. Cleita Jul 2013 #2

And I think that's crazy Recursion Jul 2013 #3

You can see the future? Cleita Jul 2013 #5

No, he really won't Recursion Jul 2013 #9

Here's the difference. Paranoia is about fear of something that doesn't exist, like we are suddenly Cleita Jul 2013 #16

+100 FirstLight Jul 2013 #19

Please to read: Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #43

Did you mean to reply to my post? Recursion Jul 2013 #44

Just read the information and if you're open-minded, the rest of the article at the link. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #49

I've read it several times this month. Please elaborate Recursion Jul 2013 #50

Most obviously, you haven't. Giving up as those who reject facts high-five. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #53

Glad to know you can't back up your claim Recursion Jul 2013 #54

You're going on Ignore because your "communication" style IS recursion. Nothing you do not want Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #62

Having personally serve on a jury for a federal trial I know they have trials in federal courts. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #63

Do you think he would be free to speak to the public? reusrename Jul 2013 #65

He would face criminal penalties for disclosing classified info Recursion Jul 2013 #71

I guess you don't know what a gag order is. reusrename Jul 2013 #77

I do know what gag orders are and who Sibel Edmonds is Recursion Jul 2013 #93

Why are you being so cute about this? reusrename Jul 2013 #94

Edmonds is still allowed to speak out. For that matter she told everything to the press years ago Recursion Jul 2013 #95

If Bush and Cheney were put on trial, I might believe you. Otherwise, your mere assertion HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #66

Nor has it been too civilized to torture and assassinate non-combatants. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #4

The history is there and cannot be denied. eom Cleita Jul 2013 #6

Hell, it's not even "history". The force feeding and drone wars continue. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #10

Yes it's very much the present. Cleita Jul 2013 #12

Funny that. 99Forever Jul 2013 #7

There's no way he's getting executed or tortured. Besides, the media will be JaneyVee Jul 2013 #8

Until they are no longer interested and looking at something else.eom Cleita Jul 2013 #11

Then The Blame Is With Snowden's Attorneys... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #18

I have thought for a while now there was a relationship somehow with libertarians, probably will Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #36

A Bigger Irony... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #55

Good thoughts, perhaps all the Snowden fans should show transparency. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #58

An Exercise In Futility... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #61

I am all for investigating the crimes Snowden has committed, whether or not he acted alone or is Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #64

I Want Justice... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #68

A trial? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #82

Holder was wrong to absolve Bushco and expect to be treated as if Bush had Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #13

Holder legally represented some in the Death Squad truedelphi Jul 2013 #74

uh huh. And who is to say Snowden wouldn't end up "suicided" in his jail cell quinnox Jul 2013 #14

Can always give him a new Mercedes and run him into a tree. Downwinder Jul 2013 #22

The US government had no problem torturing once and no torturers have bee prosecuted Fumesucker Jul 2013 #15

Did the new talking point just come out? This is now about not prosecuting Cheney? Recursion Jul 2013 #17

Yoo didn't answer my question Fumesucker Jul 2013 #21

I could care less about Snowden; I have said multiple times I hope he quietly gets asylum somewhere Recursion Jul 2013 #24

Laws are meaningless unless some effort, however slight, is made to enforce them Fumesucker Jul 2013 #25

AYFKM? FirstLight Jul 2013 #47

totally! FirstLight Jul 2013 #23

+1000 Cleita Jul 2013 #28

Russia is Good, St snowden says so. "Bad USA Cha Jul 2013 #20

K&R. Best of luck to you. They really come out of the woodwork when a thread like this is started. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #26

This is hilarious Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #27

The problem isn't Holder. It's our reputation. davidn3600 Jul 2013 #30

We ARE the biggest bully on the playground. bunnies Jul 2013 #79

Well RobertEarl Jul 2013 #87

Holder must be the one in the wrong!!!!!!11 treestar Jul 2013 #31

it's torture to see Putin try to show off his manliness... Whisp Jul 2013 #69

Depends what you mean by torture. LittleBlue Jul 2013 #32

+1000 nt FirstLight Jul 2013 #52

When the worst about America isn't true BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #33

And the US Navy claimed to have been fired upon by the Vietnamese Navy... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #34

Holder may have said that, but... TheProgressive Jul 2013 #35

Both Obama and Holder have said that order would be illegal unless he were actively in arms... Recursion Jul 2013 #37

Obama has claimed the right to kill anybody anytime for reasons he deems... TheProgressive Jul 2013 #39

Wrong. Rand Paul asked and Holder answered Recursion Jul 2013 #40

Denying it is all the proof needed that it must be true, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #38

Three years of solitary confinement for PFC Manning before a hint of a trial. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #41

The judge agreed it was too restrictive, and he has been in GP for years Recursion Jul 2013 #42

Careful. That really really sounds like tacit approval. But wait, there's more! Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jul 2013 #46

Paulbot? You're a jerk to get personal. Can't address a single issue I've presented? Call names. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #48

Sorry. I was out of line. Recursion Jul 2013 #60

EXACTLY!!! FirstLight Jul 2013 #56

That is utterly wrong--he was in Quantico for 8 months. Quantico is single-cell, only. He was then msanthrope Jul 2013 #109

Just another lie by the Lie and Spy Snowden, we have already established he lies on regular basis. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #51

as long as there is a promise of no torture or death penalty I cannot imagine why ANYONE would Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #57

Our country shouldn't have to make assurances. It should be assumed. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #59

Can people who believe the shit like this that spews from that Snowden douchebag baldguy Jul 2013 #67

Does Holder admit that waterboarding is torture, and that the US has tortured other captives? quakerboy Jul 2013 #70

Eric Holder - Death Squad defender - truedelphi Jul 2013 #76

I hope he gets a guarantee that Russia won't too... Historic NY Jul 2013 #72

Homewardbound with Greenwald Iliyah Jul 2013 #73

he knows he won't be tortured arely staircase Jul 2013 #75

Yes. bunnies Jul 2013 #78

If you were Snowden RobertEarl Jul 2013 #80

I f I were Snowden arely staircase Jul 2013 #81

Eh? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #83

a poem by: arely staircase arely staircase Jul 2013 #84

He doesn't have time to worry RobertEarl Jul 2013 #86

traitors arely staircase Jul 2013 #88

So you would just lynch? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #89

fools arely staircase Jul 2013 #90

Sounds like babbling RobertEarl Jul 2013 #92

I'd just like to comment on the tone of this thread, which was Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #85

The US does not torture. They use "enhanced interrogation techniques". Incitatus Jul 2013 #91

Not for several years now (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #96

Saying that torture doesn't occur is extremely disconnected from reality Corruption Inc Jul 2013 #97

Where is the US currently torturing people? Recursion Jul 2013 #100

The UN says Manning's treatment is at least near torture. former9thward Jul 2013 #106

No judge said it was OK. Recursion Jul 2013 #107

Years ago? former9thward Jul 2013 #108

Two years ago. That's "years". Recursion Jul 2013 #110

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #98

Killed no, tortured...oh yeah that will happen. Rex Jul 2013 #99

Holder isn't to be believed 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #101

And we're back in Paul land Recursion Jul 2013 #102

I agree that it is ironic 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #103

you keep using that word... FirstLight Jul 2013 #104

Anyone who axiomatically distrusts the government Recursion Jul 2013 #105

Putin will keep him as a bargaining chip customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #111