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DevonRex

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65. Which rather belies a common meme around here.

Sat Jul 27, 2013, 03:18 AM

Jul 2013

The one about all politicians are the same. Both parties are the same. They're all in bed with the same corporations. They're all horrible.

There are enough on our side who do want to get things done, as shown by their votes, to say they're not like Republicans. The ones who don't vote with the Dems are from Red states for the most part. Political survival or they're conservative Democrats themselves? Who knows? Maybe a little of both.

With the Republicans, it's a mixture of racism, conservatism, and corporatism. With a good portion it's all three.

Obama being weak? Well, he certainly faces the perfect storm, doesn't he? I don't believe that makes HIM weak. I think it shows that racism added to corporate money and religious zeal has made for a deadly opponent when our own Harry Reid has dawdled ever since President Obama was elected. But then Reid made it clear from the beginning that he doesn't work for Obama. He said that straight up in an interview, January 2009.

People like the image of LBJ getting all tough. But I think we're past the time when presidents physically intimidate other elected officials. And, obviously, PBO hasn't blackmailed anyone with NSA data either. Meme #2 dead in the water.

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Obama Should Commit to a Trillion-Dollar Infrastructure Plan [View all] leftstreet Jul 2013 OP

Now if he could only appropriate the money for it. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #1

we already have. we "rebuilt" Iraq and Afghanistan, remember? elehhhhna Jul 2013 #38

Theres the answer DJ13 Jul 2013 #81

Hey, wasn't Vietnam a "police action" versus a "war"??? elehhhhna Jul 2013 #82

We "appropropriate" $85 billion a month to the banks now, money that supports the wealthiest jtuck004 Jul 2013 #42

Obama should have opened with jobs/infrastructure... SMC22307 Jul 2013 #2

+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #9

He did. But in our form of government, it's Congress that has to pony up the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Hekate Jul 2013 #45

He didn't do any of those things. former9thward Jul 2013 #70

Just about every damn thing he has wanted to do. Remember the GOP Leadership Oath? Hekate Jul 2013 #79

And you should probably apprise yourself of how the government works. frazzled Jul 2013 #3

Meh. Obama & the Dems had 2yrs to get whatever they wanted leftstreet Jul 2013 #4

Obama had 39 days at most. joshcryer Jul 2013 #6

He tried to push one through ProSense Jul 2013 #24

Obama only had 24 working days of a filibuster-proof supermajority. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #57

Thanks for the clarification. joshcryer Jul 2013 #66

And even in those periods... Wounded Bear Jul 2013 #69

Good point. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #73

No he did not DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #8

The voters were already on the left leftstreet Jul 2013 #11

The voters would have "turned left" for JOBS. SMC22307 Jul 2013 #19

+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #21

Even the aforementioned Joe Sixpack needs a job. SMC22307 Jul 2013 #27

it will take several bridges going down and killing people to get action. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #34

Sadly, the decay of our infrastructure falls out of people's memory even faster than gun deaths Hekate Jul 2013 #61

Ugh. Not THAT rightwing talking point. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #80

At this point it doesn't matter whether the Republicans will give him what he wants. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #5

Pushing a politically unpopular bill that can't pass makes no sense Recursion Jul 2013 #15

He won the WH campaigning on the idea of stimulutaing the economy leftstreet Jul 2013 #17

he didn't campaign on fiscal stimulus Recursion Jul 2013 #18

Republicans ProSense Jul 2013 #7

how about a trillion dollar education program? liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #10

That's a good point leftstreet Jul 2013 #13

You don't really have to imagine... Wounded Bear Jul 2013 #74

Because the smaller one he proposed just flew through Congress Recursion Jul 2013 #12

Well, we know he likes to please the Republicans leftstreet Jul 2013 #14

Stimulus is not popular Recursion Jul 2013 #16

It's not popular ProSense Jul 2013 #29

He needed two Republican votes in the Senate to pass what he got bornskeptic Jul 2013 #84

We should be looking into the viability of evacuated tube transport. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #20

The time for this has come, and gone. reformist2 Jul 2013 #22

Sadly, you're right. (n/t) SMC22307 Jul 2013 #37

Republicans in Congress oppose 1 dollar more in infrastructure spending Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #23

now is actually the perfect time to push the republicans. The public knows liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #26

At least they opposed Obama's request for chained CPI leftstreet Jul 2013 #28

So how do you propose to get 1 trillion dollars in infrastructure spending through the House? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #30

Start with a Prez who actually wants it leftstreet Jul 2013 #31

Wait ProSense Jul 2013 #33

LOL leftstreet Jul 2013 #35

Yup ProSense Jul 2013 #36

He's already proposed it....many times Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #39

Do you realize Obama oversaw the largest stimulus program in American history? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #40

but who did that money go to? It went to the banks. He should have given it directly to the liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #43

It went directly to the banks? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #46

yeah, a few pennies here and there. I don't see any FDR sized infrastructure liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #47

So you got caught in a lie and decide to change the subject and offer another lie. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #50

No. The stimulus was in the form of unemployment compensation, tax breaks for the middle class SunSeeker Jul 2013 #48

Still just a few pennies here and there especially when compared to how much money the banks got. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #49

I am not calling you names, I'm calling what you are peddling here lies. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #51

no they are not, but you go ahead and try and placate the masses. I don't care what others think liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #53

Hypocrisy=putting me on ignore while claiming it is me who cannot accept a different point of view. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #55

BS, at least read where it did go: bhikkhu Jul 2013 #52

I think he's thinking TARP. Igel Jul 2013 #68

What frustrates me is that I hear this crap all the time from RW types at my work bhikkhu Jul 2013 #75

Obama needs to add a few 0's Politicalboi Jul 2013 #67

He tried...Congress holds the purse strings........ Historic NY Jul 2013 #25

I guarantee regardless of who is in charge, the US will be putting trillions in infrastructure soon NoOneMan Jul 2013 #32

Exactly RobertEarl Jul 2013 #56

the trouble is that our government is very reactionary. They wait until disaster has already liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #63

Yeah, in any case it will still be spent NoOneMan Jul 2013 #76

He did. But in our form of government, it's Congress that has to appropriate the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Hekate Jul 2013 #41

LOL!!! Oh, so it's that easy, eh? Commit and poof! The Republicans agree? DevonRex Jul 2013 #44

All he has to do is declare a war! RobertEarl Jul 2013 #54

"Obama Infrastructure Plan: Senate GOP Blocks $60 Billion Measure" DevonRex Jul 2013 #58

You have a point RobertEarl Jul 2013 #59

Which rather belies a common meme around here. DevonRex Jul 2013 #65

I don't think the GOPee will let him. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #60

Jobs would be minimal Riftaxe Jul 2013 #62

He should just finish out his term and build a library mick063 Jul 2013 #64

Enjoy the next three and a half years. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #71

Nothing to prevent it from being done locally. Igel Jul 2013 #72

Excellent essay. Laelth Jul 2013 #77

He could, He should, but Rubin and Summers are against it, because ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2013 #78

I didn't know that it was Obama who was obstructing a bill like that. Congress is the one that needs jwirr Jul 2013 #83