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TorchTheWitch

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92. This has nothing at all to do with SYG

Sat Jul 27, 2013, 02:40 AM

Jul 2013

If there's any law that covers what he did it's basic Castle doctrine. This was his own gated property, not out in public.

That said, it's nuts that he shot the kid just because he hopped the fence and was in his yard. Yeah, the kid was probably up to no good intending to steal or vandalize something, but that's not a good reason to shoot them. He probably could have just hollered out the window at kid, and the kid finding himself discovered would likely have tried to run away. There's just no reason to kill someone that comes onto your property without some actual REASONABLE fear that they're going to attempt to break into your home and harm you or someone else in the home. Seeing as he's charged with attempted murder the police saw some kind of evidence on his surveillance tape that showed he didn't have any such reasonable fear. Castle doctrine doesn't cover someone killing a person just going into their yard... there has to be an actual reasonable threat.

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Already, another Trayvon Martin incident has just happened [View all] BainsBane Jul 2013 OP

Horrible story! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #1

And this is what we were worried about all along. defacto7 Jul 2013 #2

Exactly. I suspect there have been other cases BainsBane Jul 2013 #3

There's this one starroute Jul 2013 #51

That looks like a hate crime BainsBane Jul 2013 #69

Here's all I can find - it seems the victim was Hispanic starroute Jul 2013 #179

Thanks for the info BainsBane Jul 2013 #377

+10000 heaven05 Jul 2013 #534

"we remain convinced our client has done nothing wrong" RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #4

Hey, he stood his ground BainsBane Jul 2013 #5

SYG does not apply krispos42 Jul 2013 #158

It didn't apply to Marissa Alexander either BainsBane Jul 2013 #364

Marissa Alexander was the agressor. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #404

sigh BainsBane Jul 2013 #418

She charged into the house with the gun. That isn't defense. Check out the links. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #468

You are going based on the testimony of a man who beats women BainsBane Jul 2013 #470

She also shot in the direction of her own kids. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #473

They were not her kids BainsBane Jul 2013 #481

So shooting in the direction of kids is OK with you? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #483

killing kids is ok with you noiretextatique Aug 2013 #554

You said Trayvon was a threat to Zimmerman BainsBane Jul 2013 #482

Green, I concur with your sensibilities. As a law student, as someone who has studied the law cecilfirefox Jul 2013 #498

Thanks. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #510

wasn't it her own residence? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #519

bull...she tried to escape and could not noiretextatique Aug 2013 #553

When she was out of the house, she had escaped. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #555

she could not get out of the house noiretextatique Aug 2013 #556

My facts are straight. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #560

I'm not on board with that case, either. krispos42 Jul 2013 #424

IF the victim was on his property. NOLALady Jul 2013 #381

Correct. This wouldn't be a Stand Your Ground case. But LA is also a Castle Doctrine state. Xithras Jul 2013 #507

Almost word for word what Zimmerman's lawyers said. progressoid Jul 2013 #30

Except Zimmerman didn't feel terrible Mariana Jul 2013 #149

Sanford police examined the scene for physical evidence pintobean Jul 2013 #151

Wonder why he jumped the fence into the yard. Article doesn't explain that part... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #6

The shooter was in a "Shoot first and ask questions later" frame of mind.... TheDebbieDee Jul 2013 #11

That is the problem with the NRA-Alec version of self defense BainsBane Jul 2013 #20

well that's all the info I need Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author DrDan Jul 2013 #141

Wait a minute rightsideout Jul 2013 #8

So this is the get off my lawn, but with guns? BainsBane Jul 2013 #10

Did you read what I said? rightsideout Jul 2013 #12

I read it BainsBane Jul 2013 #13

Actually, kids cut through my yard all the time rightsideout Jul 2013 #41

So when you say he looked like Trayvon... Agschmid Jul 2013 #181

Not if there was a fence or gate. We need more facts about this. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #42

which there was. a chest-high iron fence with spikes. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #45

There is a difference between... Pelican Jul 2013 #55

What about the reasonableness of killing an unarmed teenager on sight BainsBane Jul 2013 #386

Who did that? beevul Jul 2013 #405

I wouldn't have shot him on sight... Pelican Jul 2013 #425

Have you forgotten, again, that he is not dead? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #437

I cut through yards of people I knew joeglow3 Jul 2013 #290

I respect your voice of reason and it is needed here.... tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #50

because they want to kill BainsBane Jul 2013 #77

True. Sadly, I didn't think of that. tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #103

I didn't realize how much some want to kill BainsBane Jul 2013 #105

I wonder if those who do kill Bay Boy Jul 2013 #240

It appears Zimmerman does not BainsBane Jul 2013 #382

Yup. Agschmid Jul 2013 #183

You realize that is not true, right? NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #261

No, but I've talked to enough gun proponents BainsBane Jul 2013 #358

I agree it appears the intent in this case was to kill. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #368

Because a shot to wound will get you put in prison NickB79 Jul 2013 #137

Nonsense treestar Jul 2013 #268

Shooting a person in the leg is HARD NickB79 Jul 2013 #427

The only nonsense is your response. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #440

Then you'd better make a good decision about how you are in fear of your life treestar Jul 2013 #456

Obviously you have never heard of the femoral artery. spin Jul 2013 #492

Because every firearms instructor will tell you ceonupe Jul 2013 #154

You only have to follow their advice, if that's what you want to do. I wouldn't trust a firearms Hoyt Jul 2013 #281

almost all firearms instructors are nra certified ceonupe Jul 2013 #300

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #307

if you understand how NRA bard elections go you would know generalmemership has little sway ceonupe Jul 2013 #314

Courses taught by those certified by organization answering to gun manufacturers are a little too Hoyt Jul 2013 #319

i dont think you get me ceonupe Jul 2013 #323

Intentionally shooting someone in the leg is Felony malicious wounding. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #257

It is not harder to hit someone in the leg vs the head eilen Jul 2013 #374

What? NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #376

The head is not center-mass. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #409

They are both difficult targets, but the legs move around more. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #441

+10000000 treestar Jul 2013 #266

Perhaps because shooting to wound is a fantasy? mythology Jul 2013 #356

Thanks. Didn't know that. tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #559

Deliberate shots to wound are illegal. Such a shot is evidence against you. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #406

This article may help to answer your question. ... spin Aug 2013 #557

Maybe the kid had the wrong house Politicalboi Jul 2013 #85

it was 2 am. pizza guys usually phone the home when they're lost, they don't jump the gate. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #136

...at 7:30 PM! n/t peace13 Jul 2013 #488

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #293

Do you live in an urban area? cyberswede Jul 2013 #315

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #318

Call me crazy... 99Forever Jul 2013 #147

Are you crazy? Don't you know that in America private property rights HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #180

and, unfortunately, the bound of "private property" is being extended and extended DrDan Jul 2013 #287

Exactly! ctsnowman Jul 2013 #246

Fuck property. TransitJohn Jul 2013 #170

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #312

so its open house at your home. n/t. okieinpain Aug 2013 #562

That's a sane analysis treestar Jul 2013 #263

if the gun-nut shooter HAD to fire and that is debatable... chillfactor Jul 2013 #9

What not use bird shot in the gun? ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #14

I watched a video of a cat who stole from the neighborhood. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2013 #35

I don't know what the answer is to this problem. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #46

Maybe find a new home for the dog? AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2013 #53

We have a new pup Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #322

He want to play 'tug o war' with things, so I bought a hemp rope, but he doesn't play with it. AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2013 #337

I wish the people would find him a new home. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #330

Maybe someone else would want the dog? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #76

It's not really something I can suggest to them. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #331

I saw that too - hilarious TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #73

Birdshot is deadly at close range NickB79 Jul 2013 #138

Most on DU know zero about guns ceonupe Jul 2013 #155

I know they are at close range. n/t ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #328

Some guns pipi_k Jul 2013 #165

Good idea! ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #329

Me neither... pipi_k Jul 2013 #344

I've worked in stores and no way would I try to protect the store ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #347

Bluffing with a gun is a good way to get killed. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #410

That might not work out well if he is armed with a gun of his own. ... spin Jul 2013 #496

I would never use bird shot Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #452

I don't think you really read what I wrote. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #457

If you just want to rack it and freighten somebody, why load it at all. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #458

Because we didn't know what was on the porch until we got to the porch... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #459

Thats my point. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #462

A shotgun loaded with buckshot is the most lethal firearm at close range. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #499

For those who don't want to follow the links... Pelican Jul 2013 #15

Look out? BainsBane Jul 2013 #16

When certain words come together they can form a description... Pelican Jul 2013 #19

That assumes black males are inherently dangerous BainsBane Jul 2013 #22

Well said! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #24

You are the only one who used the word black... Pelican Jul 2013 #27

The boys are black BainsBane Jul 2013 #78

I said he acted like it... Pelican Jul 2013 #113

Actually what I am is observant. nt BainsBane Jul 2013 #369

if it were a white teenager climbing my fence to get in my yard after dark (2 am) while his friend HiPointDem Jul 2013 #32

So you yell at them or call the police. tblue Jul 2013 #43

i said i wouldn't shoot. and i would call the police, since our response times are good. but HiPointDem Jul 2013 #49

Regardless of race ceonupe Jul 2013 #161

Because race has absolutely nothing to do with BainsBane Jul 2013 #387

How does a possible burglary that hasn't happened justify the death penalty? n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #124

Easiest way to avoid it is to not break into other people's property... Pelican Jul 2013 #130

And the easiest way to avoid a murder trial pnwmom Jul 2013 #413

So trespassing = death penalty!?!!? Yes DU, you've been overun by fudr no doubt uponit7771 Jul 2013 #491

I would say not equal to.... Pelican Jul 2013 #497

They guy was 30 feet away, the witness's say he was no threat and the shooter has been charged in th uponit7771 Jul 2013 #502

Wasn't that one of the big three rallying cries against Zimmerman here on DU? Pelican Jul 2013 #505

Yes, people are usually against overt racist like Zimmerman so I think there were plenty of cries uponit7771 Jul 2013 #506

It doesn't. Even if he was planning to break in, he wasn't a threat yet. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #412

You were quite clear earlier BainsBane Jul 2013 #390

Cutting across the yard to get to this bed and breakfast at 1:45 AM? JVS Jul 2013 #21

What does suburban have to do with it? BainsBane Jul 2013 #23

Winding roads in the typical suburban housing complex make for many shortcuts through yards. JVS Jul 2013 #26

Nor does leaving his bicycle behind in the street. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #39

It may be the case that he wasn't taking a shortcart BainsBane Jul 2013 #365

there is no alley. the house is faced by houses on three sides. they butt up against each other. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #445

Bull Crap. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #38

The same justification we used when we jumped fences as kids.. busterbrown Jul 2013 #56

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #57

Stealing that line... Pelican Jul 2013 #62

Perhaps you would have a more effective point if you discussed the dangers of alcohol and drugs busterbrown Jul 2013 #66

Do you have proof to the contrary? Pelican Jul 2013 #68

Not going to discuss the obvious... busterbrown Jul 2013 #72

Got it... Pelican Jul 2013 #75

No, because he is out of his fucking racist mind. busterbrown Jul 2013 #79

Entirely possible he simply values life less than his own property. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #83

I’ll doubt you’ll be hearing him at a press conference talking about his intolerance.. busterbrown Jul 2013 #89

Quite true. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #93

that incident was actually well over a year ago hfojvt Jul 2013 #429

Good to know. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #436

it was in the link hfojvt Jul 2013 #442

What would their opinion have to do with it? Pelican Jul 2013 #115

You don't seem concerned about proof BainsBane Jul 2013 #384

I'm weird because I like facts... Pelican Jul 2013 #423

Facts, like facts that establish someone is a lookout? BainsBane Jul 2013 #432

I said that the actions could be interpreted that way... Pelican Jul 2013 #439

So.... pipi_k Jul 2013 #200

Maybe you should pipi_k Jul 2013 #195

Because if he was white the odds are that he wouldn’t have been shot,, busterbrown Jul 2013 #205

You are speculating pipi_k Jul 2013 #223

Well then... No one ever proved Zimmerman was a Racist. busterbrown Jul 2013 #244

The statement "Zimmerman is a pipi_k Jul 2013 #320

all 9-11 and stay in the car rather than following and killing LanternWaste Jul 2013 #463

Possibly. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #81

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" BainsBane Jul 2013 #82

I didn't defend the shooter, and I didn't blame the kid. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #86

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #327

well, he deserved to die then BainsBane Jul 2013 #64

he doesn't have a 'lawn'. look at the properties in the neighborhood before you say dumb things. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #67

He's charged with Second Degree murder BainsBane Jul 2013 #70

except the victim isn't dead; it's "attempted". i'm not arguing whether or not the shooting HiPointDem Jul 2013 #88

You don't know what the kid was looking for BainsBane Jul 2013 #90

PRECISELY! AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #95

I said he "could have been" BainsBane Jul 2013 #122

There is nothing to suggest he was cutting across the yard. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #126

I don't need to prove shit BainsBane Jul 2013 #128

Is trespassing suddenly not a crime? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #132

Well, by all means BainsBane Jul 2013 #371

Unlikely. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #435

He was literally... Pelican Jul 2013 #135

What evidence do you have to support that? BainsBane Jul 2013 #372

Fair enough... Pelican Jul 2013 #421

Which concerns you more than attempted murder? BainsBane Jul 2013 #431

This shooter and Zimmerman did share your assumptions regarding BainsBane Jul 2013 #131

Quit trying to smear me with that bullshit. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #134

Trespassing is what, a misdemeanor? BainsBane Jul 2013 #370

Nice backpedal. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #434

you're ridiculous. there was no legitimate reason for him being on their property at 2 am. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #96

BUT there are a range of even criminal acts that DO NOT warrant deadly force. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #99

i'm not debating over whether deadly force was or was not warranted. i'm arguing that bane's HiPointDem Jul 2013 #106

Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #108

Is it possible the current media and political ceonupe Jul 2013 #159

the law doesn't allow even the most deranged BainsBane Jul 2013 #373

'castle doctrine' is not an explicit written statement, it's a body of tradition, precedent & law. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #451

Except of course that I EXPLICITLY said it didn't warrant deadly force. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #80

Yet your primary purpose in this thread BainsBane Jul 2013 #84

Simply untrue. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #91

Let's make clear what we do know BainsBane Jul 2013 #94

Damn, you were doing so good until that last sentence. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #98

Yet BainsBane Jul 2013 #100

You handwaved his presence away as being a simple matter of passing through the yard. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #107

What I said is the shooter assumed nefarious intent BainsBane Jul 2013 #109

There is a spectrum of nefarious intent that lies OUTSIDE the continuum warranting AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #111

if you have ever lived in the kind of neighborhood where armed robbery, armed burglary, and HiPointDem Jul 2013 #119

At nearly 2 AM pipi_k Jul 2013 #222

i blame the kid and i dont feel sorry he got shot. okieinpain Aug 2013 #563

I wonder why the little boy's parents Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #321

the child is not dead, so there is no killer. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #97

Not for Landry's lack of trying BainsBane Jul 2013 #104

assuming they had a clear choice of where to shoot (probably not since the kid was standing HiPointDem Jul 2013 #117

Unless the shooter pipi_k Jul 2013 #232

If someone doesn't mean to kill, he probably shouldn't shoot BainsBane Jul 2013 #383

yes, well, it also seems clear to you that a kid might jump a spiked fence at 2 am in a high crime HiPointDem Jul 2013 #447

I never mentioned a kitty BainsBane Jul 2013 #449

you're obviously heavily invested in the straw man franchise, since i explicitly said 'doesn't HiPointDem Jul 2013 #450

Bullshit. pintobean Jul 2013 #454

This is a sensible thing to say. Jenoch Jul 2013 #508

How does the substantiate the poster's point BainsBane Jul 2013 #367

It's like you hit some keyword you set up, and you just stop reading. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #433

It says nothing about "cutting through his yard" either.. pipoman Jul 2013 #192

I guess in some worlds... pipi_k Jul 2013 #236

It says nothing about being a look out either BainsBane Jul 2013 #357

not surprised noiretextatique Aug 2013 #537

he is gone now. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #538

it is long past time noiretextatique Aug 2013 #541

I alerted on that guy so many times and they always came back split. It infuriated me all the time. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #542

likewise noiretextatique Aug 2013 #545

Skinner did it in the end. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #546

yay, Skinner noiretextatique Aug 2013 #547

Agreed but he will try to come back. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #548

i will be waiting for his sorry ass...i can spot a noiretextatique Aug 2013 #549

I am on MIrt so send me a PM if you see him or others that seem like a troll. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #550

will do...thanks noiretextatique Aug 2013 #551

Most of them were banned by the old mirt team. But some slipped through. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #552

Doesn't matter. There shouldn't be a death penalty for trespassing pnwmom Jul 2013 #123

You were almost convincing. Igel Jul 2013 #292

He was safe in the house. He could have shouted through the window that he had a gun pnwmom Jul 2013 #305

There you go, a good excuse to shoot unarmed teen in head over a bit of property. Hoyt Jul 2013 #142

Tough call....I suppose we'll see what comes out in the wash. ileus Jul 2013 #145

Because he was trying to steal stuff. Dash87 Jul 2013 #278

Sounds a little "Leave it to Beaver" to me... Pelican Jul 2013 #284

Maybe his mother doesn't care, but what was he going to steal anyhow? Dash87 Jul 2013 #289

He shot too soon. The kid outside the house was not yet a threat. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #411

I read some of the comments in the article. Beacool Jul 2013 #536

why didn't he call the police ? JI7 Jul 2013 #17

Because he wanted to kill BainsBane Jul 2013 #18

Whom did he kill? Jenoch Jul 2013 #511

The boy is in critical condition BainsBane Jul 2013 #517

I have no intention of defending this guy, Jenoch Jul 2013 #518

this is the missing element sigmasix Jul 2013 #25

Not exactly a Trayvon Martin incident, from your link: freshwest Jul 2013 #28

I don't believe you can just kill someone for being in your yard BainsBane Jul 2013 #31

That is the case in Texas, and some other places, It didn't used to be. freshwest Jul 2013 #47

about 1/4 of the doors & windows in that neighborhood have bars over them; it's apparently HiPointDem Jul 2013 #36

Since they charged him I expect the video is the reason. joshcryer Jul 2013 #40

I agree. The guy in TX was not even on his own property. There is something about this that's off. freshwest Jul 2013 #54

I dunno, even if the kid wasn't walking away. joshcryer Jul 2013 #59

Oh for God's SAKE!!! calimary Jul 2013 #29

Which law are you referring to? Pelican Jul 2013 #63

The "Stand Your Ground" business. calimary Jul 2013 #177

Just want you to be clear... Pelican Jul 2013 #255

SYG does not apply on private property hack89 Jul 2013 #265

Point taken - from you both. calimary Jul 2013 #341

No one should have to retreat in their own home hack89 Jul 2013 #360

Feeling won't work for an SYG defense. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #414

DU armchair lawyers, SWARM!!!! lol flvegan Jul 2013 #33

Yeah, he feels just terrible that they arrested him, I'm sure. Warpy Jul 2013 #34

This has nothing at all to do with SYG TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #92

Why shoot at the heart or the head? Why not lower the gun and shoot at the legs? It will stop him. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #37

I posed this question in regard to Trayvon being shot through the heart. No Vested Interest Jul 2013 #48

I can understand that instruction if you are trying to kill. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #52

That's a good question. But I think their excuse is that their aim is poor. freshwest Jul 2013 #61

I would think any gunshot in your direction would stop you. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #65

he couldn't have 'run away'. the yard is too small to run anywhere, and to get out you have HiPointDem Jul 2013 #133

Apparently the visibility was good enough to hit the kid in the head with one shot. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #214

or poor enough. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #333

So it was just a "lucky shot"? A "tragic accident"? SunSeeker Jul 2013 #334

I have no idea whether he aimed for the head or not, and neither do you. What I know is it's a HiPointDem Jul 2013 #338

There is no doubt the kid was trespassing. But trespassing does not warrant the death penalty. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #379

& i never claimed it did. i said: HiPointDem Jul 2013 #438

I'll just cite others. Igel Jul 2013 #297

Other than standing in the yard, how was the kid threatening him? nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #310

She didn't fire a warning shot. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #471

In other words, she should have killed the guy BainsBane Jul 2013 #472

Then it would have been murder. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #474

You don't fire a warning shot to win an argument. That's reckless endangerment at minimum. X_Digger Jul 2013 #478

I'm guessing, but: the neighborhood is apparently kind of high crime to start with & there's HiPointDem Jul 2013 #58

why shoot at all? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #101

I agree. That is one of the reasons I don't own a gun. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #110

Because shooting a handgun isn't as easy NickB79 Jul 2013 #139

It's pretty essy to shoot into the ground to scare the kid away. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #211

in many cases of shootings ceonupe Jul 2013 #238

Cops taking down a perp should use those tactics. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #243

Warning shots get you put in jail NickB79 Jul 2013 #428

Because gun nuts are taught that by their mentors/instructors. Hoyt Jul 2013 #143

If there is no threat Jenoch Jul 2013 #512

Stand Your Ground = White Mans Law blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #44

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #493

Why was a 14 year old out at 1am???????? WTH? Heather MC Jul 2013 #60

Poor parenting.... Pelican Jul 2013 #71

There is a great deal of poor parenting BainsBane Jul 2013 #87

Are you under the mistaken impression... Pelican Jul 2013 #116

Those who are into guns, support Zimmerman, etc., explain quite a bit as well. Hoyt Jul 2013 #144

I'm under the very real understanding of homicide statistics BainsBane Jul 2013 #378

Exactly, probably gave the shooter a gun at age 7, and took him to range to practice shooting Hoyt Jul 2013 #242

I had decent parents, but I remember sneaking out in the middle of the night penultimate Jul 2013 #198

Pretty much... Pelican Jul 2013 #258

I'm thinking that the shooter did not announce he had a gun. pnwmom Jul 2013 #127

Another 'shoot first' nut. He's in deep doodoo. There is no justification for shooting Flatulo Jul 2013 #74

Stuff... defacto7 Jul 2013 #102

I can't wrap my head around that either BainsBane Jul 2013 #140

Theft should be punished, but community service seems about right to me. Flatulo Jul 2013 #324

Even your own life? n/t oneshooter Jul 2013 #391

What life? BainsBane Jul 2013 #392

Human life is not "stuff," nor is it a possession. BainsBane Jul 2013 #394

So you are saying that you would kill to protect your own life? n/t oneshooter Jul 2013 #402

I can't say what I would do, having never been in such a situation BainsBane Jul 2013 #417

Pray you never get yourself in such a siuation. oneshooter Jul 2013 #460

Chances of that are very remote BainsBane Jul 2013 #461

Bookmarked... Deuce Jul 2013 #112

This one seems morally unjustified exboyfil Jul 2013 #114

this guy didn't have an upstairs bedroom. those houses are tiny, shotgun type houses. another HiPointDem Jul 2013 #118

Good point exboyfil Jul 2013 #120

i dunno. i just don't think this is anything like the trayvon martin case, however hard the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #121

^^^^^ ^^^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #166

you do not KNOW the teenager was intent on entering the house.... chillfactor Jul 2013 #125

you're confused, as i am not arguing there was a reason to shoot. i *am* arguing there was HiPointDem Jul 2013 #129

there's a world of difference between fear and the fear of TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #150

you can argue the legalities of it all you like. i'm saying, when you are in that kind of environ- HiPointDem Jul 2013 #309

then such a person should NEVER own a gun TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #349

not you, though. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #352

seeing as I don't own a gun that's hardly a rational response TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #366

"Coulter's family acknowledged the teen's history of burglary arrests" pintobean Jul 2013 #146

Every shooting is not like the Zimmerman/Martin case. Inkfreak Jul 2013 #148

Hate to say this ceonupe Jul 2013 #152

So you support shooting a kid riding a bicycle in the head over easily replaceable property? Hoyt Jul 2013 #153

Did he jump the fence on his bike, Hoyt? pintobean Jul 2013 #156

I did read the article, and it said some kids were seen on their bikes. Hoyt Jul 2013 #162

Yeah, I just spilled my coffee and shot my monitor. pintobean Jul 2013 #167

No, I am saying they were bicycling (so young kids) and one got off and jumped over a fence. Hoyt Jul 2013 #175

I've stated that I don't think it was a justified shooting. pintobean Jul 2013 #188

Nope, my posts are simply saying these are young folks who ride bikes, not hardened criminals. Hoyt Jul 2013 #190

It looks more like back-peddling pintobean Jul 2013 #197

Because criminals never use bicycles as a mode of transportation. HolyMoley Jul 2013 #227

Thanks, HolyMoley, I'm sure folks in your favorite group -- the gungeon -- will agree with you. Hoyt Jul 2013 #267

I've never been to the gungeon. I live in a small, 90% white town with a high crime rate, mostly HiPointDem Jul 2013 #340

Someone doesn't have to be pipi_k Jul 2013 #262

i don't think you understand the situation. the kid was in the 'yard' a few feet from the back HiPointDem Jul 2013 #336

So shooter was in no danger. I get it completely. Hoyt Jul 2013 #345

glad you know exactly how it was. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #354

Hoyt it's been updated ceonupe Jul 2013 #169

I don't compare it to Trayvon's murder. In this case, the bicycling kid was shot at 30 feet. Hoyt Jul 2013 #172

Please stop with the bicycling kid theme ceonupe Jul 2013 #191

Bicycle proves to me he was not a hardened criminal. But, you guys will back the shooter Hoyt Jul 2013 #196

Actually, riding a bike just means he didn't have access to a car penultimate Jul 2013 #203

Well, then I guess... pipi_k Jul 2013 #271

Do you think police should shoot those thieves? Hoyt Jul 2013 #277

I think maybe pipi_k Jul 2013 #346

She might be ignored, unless of course she's black/brown. Then the swat team would be summoned. Hoyt Jul 2013 #350

it says more than that. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #335

Um... Crepuscular Jul 2013 #173

The kid rode a bike to the house, he doesn't sound all that scary to me. Hoyt Jul 2013 #178

The Crepuscular Jul 2013 #189

A kid outside, can take anything they want -- and unlike you, I would not even think of shooting Hoyt Jul 2013 #194

Again, Crepuscular Jul 2013 #286

We'll find out when facts are released. Until then, I'm not going on auto support for shooter. Hoyt Jul 2013 #291

Details krispos42 Jul 2013 #157

More details. pintobean Jul 2013 #160

30 feet. Now that's not a "big" threat, when the bicycling kid is unarmed, and you are. Hoyt Jul 2013 #164

More has come out ceonupe Jul 2013 #171

Hopefully, NO law enforcement will not release man who shot kid at 30 feet over replaceabl property. Hoyt Jul 2013 #174

They are already making preparation ceonupe Jul 2013 #184

Where are you getting this info? pintobean Jul 2013 #204

The usual suspect sources, I'm sure free republic, stormfront, etc., are burning up the internet Hoyt Jul 2013 #215

By who? Lurker Deluxe Jul 2013 #201

Give me a break, you support shooting an unarmed kid at 30 feet over something left outside in Hoyt Jul 2013 #220

Insurance? NOLALady Jul 2013 #400

MORE PROOF that DU has been overun by fudr!! Kill someone over property!?!! REALLY?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #495

Link and quote the kid being the "look out" just because they're black doesn't mean they were trying uponit7771 Jul 2013 #494

I can't take sides on this story yet krispos42 Jul 2013 #420

Yep, shoot a kid riding a bicycle over property and likely petty theft. Hoyt Jul 2013 #163

Are u intentionally lying? ceonupe Jul 2013 #176

He road the bike to the house, that shows the kid is not some hardened criminal to be shot Hoyt Jul 2013 #182

The fact he road a bike to a possible crime means what now? ceonupe Jul 2013 #187

We've yet to find if the shooter was an angle either. I know to gun cultists he is, but . . . . . . Hoyt Jul 2013 #249

but we know for a fact this teen was a robber ceonupe Jul 2013 #253

Again, no link. pintobean Jul 2013 #269

parents have gone to the local media ceonupe Jul 2013 #273

Provide the link pintobean Jul 2013 #285

link ceonupe Jul 2013 #308

It says nothing about convictions or awaiting trial. pintobean Jul 2013 #317

Link here: B2G Jul 2013 #274

Arrested does not mean convicted. pintobean Jul 2013 #280

I think the poster is referring to this; Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #342

It means he couldn't have been planning much of a robbery gollygee Jul 2013 #270

a laptop goes for about $50 on the street ceonupe Jul 2013 #306

are you under some interesting delusion that the act of riding a bike cali Jul 2013 #206

"in this thread" pintobean Jul 2013 #208

Critical thinking? Shooting an unarmed kid at 30 feet ain't critical thinking. Hoyt Jul 2013 #209

yes, hon, critical thinking. Let me add reading comprehension cali Jul 2013 #217

"Critical thinking? You didn't even finish your bolded sentence. Hoyt Jul 2013 #224

uh, I don't think you understand what critical think is, dear cali Jul 2013 #233

Apparently, our shooter wasn't in imminent danger, or under attack. So much for critical thinkin. Hoyt Jul 2013 #248

There it is! pintobean Jul 2013 #251

thank you Duckhunter935 Jul 2013 #185

The bigotry accusations are yet to fly. nt pintobean Jul 2013 #193

Saw enough of that in the Zman case. And here you guys are again. Hoyt Jul 2013 #213

Said. pintobean Jul 2013 #221

Says the man with a reference to guns in his user name on DU. Haven't seen you around to Hoyt Jul 2013 #212

says the guy who's anti gun stace clouds his ability to objectively look ceonupe Jul 2013 #228

Clearly the kid was up to no good, but shooting him at 30 feet when he is not a hardened Hoyt Jul 2013 #231

Don't confuse those of us who stick to the facts pintobean Jul 2013 #247

just so you know polce have claified the 30 ft claim ceonupe Jul 2013 #259

How is anyone supposed to know pipi_k Jul 2013 #299

If they are at 30 feet, unarmed, a kid, poking around outside, etc., they aren't acting like a home Hoyt Jul 2013 #301

Just so I know for sure Lurker Deluxe Jul 2013 #313

It's nearly pipi_k Jul 2013 #325

Like poster above said, there was enough light to shoot h in head at a distance. Hoyt Jul 2013 #326

You know... pipi_k Jul 2013 #343

One minor disagreement Vattel Jul 2013 #361

I was going to call you on this... krispos42 Jul 2013 #419

Another pathetic cowardly weakling with a gun. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #168

The guy might be trigger happy Just Saying Jul 2013 #186

So, what do you do? Lurker Deluxe Jul 2013 #199

What. The. Fuck. TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #237

Maybe a taser would qualify as non-lethal force. JVS Jul 2013 #260

Article: Law experts say trespassing under Louisiana code does not justify excessive force. Hoyt Jul 2013 #264

Killing people is a wrongdoing. Killing children is a Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #202

"Children" don't wander the streets at 2 am...juviniles do that... pipoman Jul 2013 #218

Well then shoot the little bastard in the Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #234

The use of inaccuracies in attempt to rile emotion pipoman Jul 2013 #235

Actually your definition of child as someone Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #241

she's 'your child'...not 'a child' by definition.. pipoman Jul 2013 #245

Obtuse much? Is she an adult? Does her location and time Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #250

I'm sure she doesn't mind being referred to pipoman Jul 2013 #339

What do you think the word "juvenile" means? n/t gollygee Jul 2013 #272

Nope. Fail. Not a "Trayvon Martin incident" cali Jul 2013 #207

this ^^^^^^^ n/t ceonupe Jul 2013 #230

There is never going to be an exact case BainsBane Jul 2013 #385

This isn't even close pintobean Jul 2013 #388

The shooter fulfilled the gun nut dream BainsBane Jul 2013 #389

Nothing but speculation pintobean Jul 2013 #393

Oh, like all the speculation BainsBane Jul 2013 #395

He was a criminal pintobean Jul 2013 #396

People here speculated on that before that information was known BainsBane Jul 2013 #397

If they were speculating pintobean Jul 2013 #398

Bullshit BainsBane Jul 2013 #446

Bullshit BainsBane Jul 2013 #448

Fail = another case were a black kid gets killed for little or nothing and racist support the killer uponit7771 Jul 2013 #500

Why did he shoot him in the head? He could have easily shot him in the leg so he couldn't southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #210

You watch too much TV/movies geek_sabre Jul 2013 #279

guess I watch way to much tv. After all killing for the sake of a car or like the wild west southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #351

No yoou can not Duckhunter935 Jul 2013 #288

Well maybe this guy shouldn't have a gun. I mean if you shoot a guy for standing by your southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #353

There are a lot of arteries in the leg. A shot that hits the femoral artery can result ... spin Jul 2013 #303

Yes I agree with you totally. This business of standing your ground isn't working for southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #355

Some statistics for you: GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #558

"Coulter's family acknowledged the teen's history of burglary arrests" B2G Jul 2013 #216

And the picture becomes a bit more clear. n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #229

Not accurate. The shooter was arrested. And charged. KeepItReal Jul 2013 #219

If it turns out pipoman Jul 2013 #225

Don't screw around with other people's property. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #226

" Where is breathless outrage for those victims and their murderers? " NOLALady Jul 2013 #401

I mean on DU, but it is true of the msm as well. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #408

Sounds like the teens were casing the place (and more): The Straight Story Jul 2013 #239

Apparently got him in the head at 30 feet. There goes lighting and threatened justification. Hoyt Jul 2013 #252

Not supporting him The Straight Story Jul 2013 #283

It doesn't look like JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #254

This not even close to Trayvon's case!!!! JH19059 Jul 2013 #256

So does the possibility he was going to kill something BainsBane Jul 2013 #359

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We've had our cars broken into more times than I can count - Dash87 Jul 2013 #282

Your really should be ashamed Sissyk Jul 2013 #294

Did you notice this is an article from a website and a news paper BainsBane Jul 2013 #362

Anyone with a conscience, would not Sissyk Jul 2013 #430

What, didn't Trayvon have a history of arrests for burglary? Dr. Strange Jul 2013 #514

The kid was clearly armed with the sidewalk. Case closed. killbotfactory Jul 2013 #295

This is nothing like Trayvon Martin. n/t tammywammy Jul 2013 #296

Per his family. "He's a professional thief" boomer55 Jul 2013 #298

Did the shooter know that? pintobean Jul 2013 #302

Castle doctrine boomer55 Jul 2013 #444

Seriously? NOLALady Jul 2013 #380

It is unfortunate the OP has chosen to wave the bloody... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #304

Would it be too much to actually click on the click BainsBane Jul 2013 #363

You did not write it, you posted it, and you seem to be defending the Jenoch Jul 2013 #516

This message was self-deleted by its author penultimate Jul 2013 #311

I must ask if this child was UglyGreed Jul 2013 #316

Could a cop legally shoot a suspect in the same circumstances? Blue Idaho Jul 2013 #332

Its going to keep happening over and over. Stand your ground laws are a legal license to kill workinclasszero Jul 2013 #348

Obviously shooting to kill was the only option. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #375

given previous Crepuscular Jul 2013 #399

What do crime stats say about this particular boy? BainsBane Jul 2013 #415

According to his uncle, he was involved in several burglerys, and got caught up in the wrong crowd. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #453

crime stats? Crepuscular Jul 2013 #455

Just curious, do cities have curfews anymore? When I grew up, there was a 10 p.m. curfew under a Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #403

I don't think so BainsBane Jul 2013 #416

It looks like many cities still do. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #443

The information is limited, but it sounds like attempted Murder 2 to me. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #407

The guy did not have a normal yard. MaineBlueDog Jul 2013 #466

I don't either, I live on 40 acres. oneshooter Jul 2013 #477

so what? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #485

True. But the intruder was still outside the house. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #513

+1, not only that but there were witness's in this case, the guy was 30 feet away from the kid & vid uponit7771 Jul 2013 #503

Mostly, they are objecting to whitewashing the teen as "just cutting across the yard". GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #515

normally i would agree, but in this case there are reasons the homeowner might not have HiPointDem Jul 2013 #525

Some very interesting responses in here. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #422

The funny bone. pintobean Jul 2013 #426

Yeap, the same people who defended the racist Zimmerman are defending this guy too uponit7771 Jul 2013 #504

I am thinking this is justified. MaineBlueDog Jul 2013 #464

30 feet is not a close distance. pintobean Jul 2013 #465

If you do the same you will also end up on trial BainsBane Jul 2013 #469

If I find someone in my yard, at 2am, there will be trouble. oneshooter Jul 2013 #475

You do realize this case is in a heavily populated city? BainsBane Jul 2013 #476

Five words... pipi_k Jul 2013 #489

the genovese case is nothing like this one. absolute nonsense. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #524

We don't know that it was about "stuff" MaineBlueDog Jul 2013 #479

If he was a complete coward BainsBane Jul 2013 #480

Too bad... pipi_k Jul 2013 #487

Quote from New Orleans PD... Agschmid Jul 2013 #486

just for the record: the issue is whether the homeowner *believed* the kid posed a threat. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #521

Hey just maybe... Agschmid Jul 2013 #522

he didn't 'run' into the yard. he climbed over a chest high iron spiked fence. and since the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #523

Okay Agschmid Jul 2013 #528

"Cul-de-sac: is an expression of French origin also used in Catalan and Occitan referring to a dead HiPointDem Jul 2013 #533

The 30 feet thing does not add up. MaineBlueDog Jul 2013 #467

So he shot an unarmed kid who wasnt attacking him whos only crime was cstanleytech Jul 2013 #484

Appears to be nothing like the Trayvon murder. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2013 #490

The racist who supported Z the first time is supporting this guy. He was 30 feet away and witness's uponit7771 Jul 2013 #501

Correct. He was arrested. nt NCTraveler Jul 2013 #509

what 'witnesses'? so far as i have heard, there were no witnesses except possibly the kid's HiPointDem Jul 2013 #520

This was in/near New Orleans - not Florida. Laws are very different. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #526

The cases differ in several regards BainsBane Jul 2013 #527

It looks to me like YOU are the only one"connecting it to the Trayvon Martin case." n/t oneshooter Jul 2013 #529

So you couldn't be bother to click on the link in the OP BainsBane Jul 2013 #530

You are the one pushing it on DU. oneshooter Jul 2013 #531

I posted the article BainsBane Jul 2013 #532

So you believe that the headline is misleading? n/t oneshooter Aug 2013 #540

No, the circumstances are not the same. Beacool Jul 2013 #535

nope noiretextatique Aug 2013 #539

this is not trayvon at all, trayvon was'nt doing anything okieinpain Aug 2013 #543

I think Trayvon's case NOLALady Aug 2013 #544

yeah but if your out looking for trouble okieinpain Aug 2013 #561

Maybe. NOLALady Aug 2013 #564