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pnwmom

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36. Your statement shows a profound lack of historical knowledge. Or even of current events.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:25 AM
Jul 2013

China and Russia are hacking into our computer systems every day.

But here are some examples of how our spying has saved lives in the past.

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/06/errors-edward-snowden-global-hypocrisy-tour

. . . But to decide that standard espionage activities are improper is a foolish, ahistorical belief.

N.S.A. surveillance has been beneficial repeatedly in American foreign policy. Although most instances remain secret, we already know that the N.S.A. listened to Soviet pilots during the 1983 shooting down of a South Korean airliner; used intercepted diplomatic messages to track a 1986 Berlin disco bombing to Libya; and used the cell phones’ SIM cards to track terrorist suspects after the 9/11 attacks.

But let’s take a more important example. In 1937—at a time when the United States was declaring neutrality in the emerging global tensions that fueled World War II—the Japanese government created a cipher for its military messages using a device called the “97-shiki O-bun In-ji-ki.” The Americans code-named it “Purple.”

The United States military was able to intercept Japanese communications (the very reason that Tokyo needed a code) but couldn’t decrypt the information sent through the Purple machine. William Friedman, the first American cryptography expert who tried to break the code, made some progress before suffering a nervous breakdown. Using that initial information, others managed to break more of the code. Once cracked, the United States could track Japanese naval-troop movements and even intercepted communications containing plans for the Pearl Harbor attack—information that was not properly used.

Would Snowden have been outraged that the United States was intercepting Japanese data at a time when the countries were not at war? It took years to crack the Purple code—would Snowden think the United States should have waited until after Pearl Harbor to tap into Japanese communication lines, and only then begin the arduous effort to break the code? And if not, then what is his point in turning over these kinds of secrets to the Chinese? All I have to say is, thank God Snowden was not around in 1937, four years before the United States joined the war—Lord knows how many Americans would have died if he had acted with whatever arrogance, or self-righteousness, or narcissism, or pure treasonous beliefs that drove him to his espionage on behalf of the Chinese.

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crazy. Whisp Jul 2013 #1
This is not the thread you're looking for. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #2
Hahahahahahaha Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #3
Why on earth would President Obama want to sit down and have a beer with a felonious criminal... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #4
+1. Agschmid Jul 2013 #5
-1 Gregorian Jul 2013 #6
When was he labeled an enemy? morningfog Jul 2013 #7
I remember him doing social activities with Tom Coburn, Cheney, Bush, Bush, Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #8
Snowden probably is an enemy of the state. However, that doesn't mean he's done anything wrong. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #12
Sharing classified documents about our spying on Russia and China is wrong. pnwmom Jul 2013 #22
The entire premise of espionage is ridiculous and self-serving. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #35
Your statement shows a profound lack of historical knowledge. Or even of current events. pnwmom Jul 2013 #36
That's not what the OP wished for. He wished that Obama would sit down with a Whistle sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #13
Snowden has been charged with three felonies. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #16
I like how you are so sure of yourself. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #20
Scooter Libby was convicted of four. But HE could have that beer by your criteria. Pholus Jul 2013 #41
See? You have confirmed the reasons why no Whistle Blower should ever again remain in this country sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #45
LOL. Only 11% of Americans view Snowden in a positive light. pnwmom Jul 2013 #24
The Blush is wearing off the Grate Hero. Whisp Jul 2013 #28
Popular opinion is your arbiter of right and wrong? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #29
No, not mine. I was responding to someone who apparently thinks it is, pnwmom Jul 2013 #32
Of course they are! That's why thanks to the American public I now know that angels really do exist! Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #33
Good thing this is not just a popularity contest, right? djean111 Jul 2013 #31
I was responding to someone else who asserted that popular opinion supported Snowden. pnwmom Jul 2013 #34
From the same poll.... Pholus Jul 2013 #42
With the overall level being only 11%, liberal support can't be very high. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #65
Yes, dominated by "don't know, don't care" unlike some OTHER results in the poll... Pholus Jul 2013 #67
Does NBC have the same owner? pnwmom Jul 2013 #68
well seems like there are bigger problems than yer crush in there. nt Pholus Jul 2013 #69
What the fuck do "polls" have to do... 99Forever Jul 2013 #62
I was answering a person who said that the majority of people supported Snowden. pnwmom Jul 2013 #64
he sucks up to republicans, shakes hands with putin and promotes karzi, so why not snowden nt msongs Jul 2013 #14
Indeed, why would he do that? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #19
+++ Whisp Jul 2013 #26
Nobody's saying he has to shake hands with the guy... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #27
A Defender Of The 4th Amendment Could Never Be An Enemy cantbeserious Jul 2013 #37
Yes! Why indeed? greatauntoftriplets Jul 2013 #53
But..but..Snowden is a really skeery Enemy of the Secret State and wants to embarrass the regime!! Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #9
it would seem reasonable that Snowden has plenty of dirt on the GOP that he adirondacker Jul 2013 #10
I think President Obama should go out for dinner with his wife. DC's a mean town, struggle4progress Jul 2013 #11
That would be something quinnox Jul 2013 #15
lolz. Obama has more dignity in his toe nails clippings Whisp Jul 2013 #30
Sometimes I really don't think you even believe half the things you type. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #52
I think that would burst his bubble. reusrename Jul 2013 #17
I think you're correct dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #40
You got to see his beer and chat. mick063 Jul 2013 #18
You're crazy intaglio Jul 2013 #21
Don't forget the ACA, which has already helped millions pnwmom Jul 2013 #25
Hmm ... Laelth Jul 2013 #39
When did Johnson introduce the ACA? intaglio Jul 2013 #43
Johnson gave us Medicare and Medicaid. Laelth Jul 2013 #44
Agree to differ? intaglio Jul 2013 #47
Exactly. The FDR/LBJ argument is quite flawed. treestar Jul 2013 #49
I see your point. Laelth Jul 2013 #50
I think most problems can be solved by sitting down and having a beer... Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #23
They want Snowden dead (after they drug him to learn to defuse the information bombs he's Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #38
How do you live every day with the depth of paranoia this post shows intaglio Jul 2013 #46
Thank you. Good summary. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #51
No. Not proven to be a lie at all RobertEarl Jul 2013 #61
I have a knowledge of ATC that you lack intaglio Jul 2013 #66
That shows hero worship of Snowden treestar Jul 2013 #48
Snowden is very successful RobertEarl Jul 2013 #54
So it's Grayson now who if he could just get the King's ear treestar Jul 2013 #55
Yes. Grayson RobertEarl Jul 2013 #56
"free" in terms of the Constitution is not the freedom of one man? treestar Jul 2013 #57
The Snowden hate is obvious? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #58
You're still doing it treestar Jul 2013 #59
Are you upset? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #60
Very funny. Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #63
Maybe he could smoke a doobie wih Aldrich Ames after that nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #70
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