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HiPointDem

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104. that doesn't speak to the issue of retention of the principal. i said nothing about salaries for
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jul 2013

trustees (who actually often don't get salaries) or for foundation staff (who do). another issue entirely.

http://www.gmafoundations.com/?p=1472

"as a 15 year tax CPA, you don't know what you are talking about"

lol. check your grammar.

i've been in or around the foundation world for decades. i stand by my claim.

but if you've been a cpa so long & know so much about foundations, why did you think trustees get salaries as a routine matter?

in fact, they don't: "Approximately one-quarter of U.S. foundations compensate their trustees in one form or another." = 3/4 DON'T.

If you're a CPA, why are you so willfully blind to what I'm talking about?

With a record of giving that extends in the hundreds of millions and throughout New York's cultural institutions, Mr. Cullman, who is 91, is alarmed by how the money donated to charity by the very wealthy usually ends up. Locked, he tells me, in private grant-making foundations that may only release a trickle of the billions of dollars squirreled away inside.

Mr. Cullman's argument gets to the heart of the different ways Americans donate to charity. Most of us write donation checks directly to needy causes. Those with greater means set up private grant-making foundations, which hold nearly tax-free assets in endowments—and often give away as little as the government allows.

Under current tax law, private foundations are only required to spend 5% of their endowment per year. Twenty percent of that may go to operating expenses. Since endowment investments historically earn more than what they must give out, foundations may never need to dip into their principal assets, yet are able to feed their own administrative bloat in perpetuity.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704554104575435481403466748.html


PS: Since 20% of the 5% can be spent on overhead/administration rather than charity, that means you really only have to give away 4% of the foundation assets every year, and can spend 1% on your kid's salaries, for example.

Foundations are about big pools of tax-free dark money that can be used to manipulate politics, economics, and society. Via investment & other shadowy uses of the foundation's principal.

And since blocs of foundations are also aligned, huge pools of capital can act in concert -- for example, to boost or take down a stock, fund a particular line of business (genetic engineering, anyone?), etc.

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What a kick ass guy....I stand in awe Rowdyboy Jul 2013 #1
he understands that money only matters if its used and using it for good makes him roguevalley Jul 2013 #37
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This is an extraordinary thing for him to do and illustrates Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #5
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repukes would just use it to start unnecessary wars Skittles Jul 2013 #22
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One his four posts. longship Jul 2013 #54
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Humanity at its best! 58 is way too young. Firebrand Gary Jul 2013 #14
Problem is, what we call "cancer" is actually hundreds of different diseases. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #51
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Marc Maron interviewed him recently krispos42 Jul 2013 #17
If it's the one from May 16th, found it . Thanks ! octoberlib Jul 2013 #21
That sounds about right. krispos42 Jul 2013 #26
K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #18
he's not giving away his entire fortune. he's setting up a rockefeller-affiliated foundation. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #19
You are wrong about that Bluegene Jul 2013 #28
NO. A foundation needs only give away 5% of its total assets every year. Meanwhile, it can HiPointDem Jul 2013 #31
he is setting up foundations that do good work. True, there will be trustees, but so what? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #40
no, *your* post is sickening, & the continued fraud upon the general public by big capital is HiPointDem Jul 2013 #41
Lame ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #47
The entire set of assumptions underlying your post are so counter-factual that it's not worth HiPointDem Jul 2013 #50
If that was his motivation, why not just give it to his friends and skip the 5%? joeglow3 Jul 2013 #66
because just 'giving it to his friends' doesn't serve the same functions HiPointDem Jul 2013 #77
But those individuals pay taxes on their salary joeglow3 Jul 2013 #83
which is why he didn't just 'give it to his friends'. avoiding taxes while retaining indirect HiPointDem Jul 2013 #84
He still has to give it to a 501(c)(3) joeglow3 Jul 2013 #99
has to give 5%/year of the assets. but can also make 5% or more off the assets. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #100
But he doesn't get to keep that money joeglow3 Jul 2013 #101
he doesn't get to personally keep the money in any case, since he's dying. but foundations HiPointDem Jul 2013 #102
And they pay taxes on what they earn as trustee joeglow3 Jul 2013 #103
that doesn't speak to the issue of retention of the principal. i said nothing about salaries for HiPointDem Jul 2013 #104
Wow, you are all over the place there joeglow3 Jul 2013 #106
1. the grammar is just an aside. 2. you weren't talking to 'someone else'. 3. 'tax evasion' HiPointDem Jul 2013 #107
I who never agree with Kitty most certainly do, your post is disgusting and Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #61
Why is his post disgusting? The only ever time I contacted a charity for help...for my dog, Safetykitten Jul 2013 #71
i call foundations a fraud on the public, and every one of these PR releases about rich people HiPointDem Jul 2013 #78
How/why does he continue to make money off his past work if he's dead? cui bono Jul 2013 #89
He -- or more accurately his estate -- will continue to receive royalties. AngryOldDem Jul 2013 #91
Really? That seems so weird to me. I would have thought after one's death they no longer cui bono Jul 2013 #95
Part of the reason he set up a foundation was so that the foundation could be 'heir' to those HiPointDem Jul 2013 #105
Well in my case, I asked for help. I have never asked for help in anything ever from charity... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #43
They have a mobile free vet clinic in Los Angeles but the emphasis is on rescue Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #63
I wrote and contacted them after the broadcast on 60 minutes. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #69
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"Drew Carey Show" postdates "The Simpsons" ? JohnnyRingo Jul 2013 #33
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I take my hat off to you, Sam Simon. hifiguy Jul 2013 #35
Odd. They seem not to care at all about dogs, well...certain dogs. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #36
Foundation capital is directed at particular charities that big capital uses to direct social HiPointDem Jul 2013 #42
True. As I found out. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #44
I'd reply to your post; greiner3 Jul 2013 #62
you don't think you can critique my post without putting your posting right on this site in HiPointDem Jul 2013 #86
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As I remember the website then was different than the one now. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #72
So, because they did not give money to random person who sent them a letter they aren't charitable? joeglow3 Jul 2013 #67
No they are not. Not for me. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #70
Ahhhh. joeglow3 Jul 2013 #73
Kind of like the poster who hated Habitat for not giving her a house. LeftyMom Jul 2013 #108
He has no children Beaverhausen Jul 2013 #39
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