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gulliver

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23. You are. You just don't get to dictate.

Reply to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:01 PM

Jul 2013

That's the problem a lot of people have. They think that if something isn't going their way it justifies unreliability on their part, as if they get to dictate the degree of reciprocity in the relationship with the party. "I voted for you so you would eliminate blue food. You didn't, so I won't vote for you."

It's natural to think that way. Ridiculous but natural. If you want something—anything—you pretty much have to be willing to endure a lot of disappointment and resistance. You also have to have focus and unbreakable persistence. Being all over the map on your demands and acting ready to walk all the time is the opposite of that.

I don't fear for the party if you or others depart because you feel you aren't getting your way enough. If that is where you are, then by all means take off and start another party or join the Greens or whatever. It's a good thing for a party if flaky, demanding, noisy people leave it. Those types hold us back.

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K&R! blackspade Jul 2013 #15

The current Democratic party mick063 Jul 2013 #16

And if we "took the party back" WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2013 #20

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K&R. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #18

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Thanks Jackpine..... I can't help but thinking this should be a given, but considering the fact midnight Jul 2013 #22

You are. You just don't get to dictate. gulliver Jul 2013 #23

Glad to hear you won't miss my vote. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #25

I won't. gulliver Jul 2013 #26

have fun insulting people. You're going on ignore. I'm done with you. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #27

Elaborate on this theory, if you would. What is it that can be done to attract a ten fold increase TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #35

This apparently touches a nerve. gulliver Jul 2013 #57

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This particular fair-weather, Me-First liberal Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #56

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Not sure? Here is how you responded to the OP. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #69

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Everyone who does that treestar Jul 2013 #123

Nonsense. Vanje Jul 2013 #128

That plan worked great in 2010 Mnpaul Jul 2013 #119

Unfortunately, what I am talking about wasn't tried in 2010 gulliver Jul 2013 #133

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Dishonest! Vanje Jul 2013 #122

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This ^^^^^^ treestar Jul 2013 #96

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It might be your big issue at the moment but what will be your issue when your son Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #31

like the democrats are going to help my son in the job market? Give me a break. I already liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #33

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It would be interesting to see what candidate you will find but sometimrs I have beennproven wrong. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #44

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where is Congress on restoring voting rights? Why aren't we hearing democratic politicians liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #43

And you think another party is going to do a better job. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #49

The post to which I responded did not say anything about another party Doctor_J Jul 2013 #131

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Word! nt Vanje Jul 2013 #126

Public Education has been broken for a while Progressive dog Jul 2013 #32

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One sure fire way to know for sure damnedifIknow Jul 2013 #30

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Even when that Teabagger is my Auntie? Demeter Jul 2013 #95

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