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13. But if the pipeline is built it will cross the Ogallala Aquifer
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jul 2013
Wikipedia: Ogallala Aquifer

The Ogallala Aquifer, part of the High Plains Aquifer System, is a vast yet shallow underground water table aquifer located beneath the Great Plains in the United States. One of the world's largest aquifers, it covers an area of approximately 174,000 mi² (450,000 km²) in portions of the eight states of South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Texas. It was named in 1898 by N.H. Darton from its type locality near the town of Ogallala, Nebraska.[1]

The Ogallala Formation underlies about 80 percent of the High Plains and is the principal geologic unit of the High Plains Aquifer. About 27 percent of the irrigated land in the United States overlies this aquifer system, which yields about 30 percent of all ground water used for irrigation in the United States. The aquifer system supplies drinking water to 82 percent of the 2.3 million people (1990 census) who live within the boundaries of the High Plains study area.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer



Considering the appalling record of the tar sands pipeline companies this would seem like a completely insane project to initiate.....



It's Crazy To Think Keystone XL Won't Leak

4/07/2013 @ 5:17PM - James Conca, Contributor

~Snip~

It’s not that these pipelines and rigs can’t be run safely, it’s that they aren’t. Maybe the managers and operators who originally built them once cared, but after they’ve retired or died, the new managers don’t have the same ownership.

Just look at last weeks’ Exxon Pegasus pipeline spill in the middle of an Arkansas neighborhood. Almost a hundred thousand gallons of heavy crude poured down the street of homeowners who didn’t even know the pipeline was there. It was 65 years old. Everyone who worked on it is dead.

And this was the second U.S. spill in a week involving Canadian crude (Reuters).


At the time Pegasus was built, it was state-of-the-art. But like any system, it needs upkeep and maintenance. Why isn’t that happening? With any of our millions of miles of pipelines? And why does anyone think it will be different with Keystone XL?

Exxon installed what it called new leak detection technology in the Pegasus line in 2009.

How’d that work out?

It’s not like Keystone XL will leak in the first five years following its construction, but it will in the decades following that, for just the same reason.

ExxonMobil was fined nearly $2 million for a similar spill in 2011 in the Yellowstone River. And regulators are considering a similar fine for the Pegasus.

~Snip~

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/04/07/its-crazy-to-think-keystone-xl-wont-leak/





Add to that that the owners of the proposed Keystone pipeline doesn't plan to use state of the art monitors for leaks:


Keystone XL Pipe Shuns Infrared Sensors to Detect Leaks

By Rebecca Penty & Mike Lee - Jun 18, 2013 4:19 PM CT

TransCanada Corp. (TRP), which says Keystone XL will be the safest pipeline ever built, isn’t planning to use infrared sensors or fiber-optic cables to detect spills along the system’s 2,000-mile (3,200-kilometer) path to Texas refineries from fields in Alberta.

Pipeline companies have been slow to adopt new leak detection technology, including infrared equipment on helicopters flying 80 miles an hour or acoustic sensors that can identify the sound of oil seeping from a pinhole-sized opening. Instead of tools that can find even the smallest leaks, TransCanada will search for spills using software-based methods and traditional flyovers and surveys. ...

~Snip~

Pipelines spilled an average of 112,569 barrels a year in the U.S. from 2007 to 2012, a 3.5 percent increase from the previous five-year period, according to U.S. Transportation Department figures compiled by Bloomberg.

The department is studying leak detection as it considers new rules to improve safety. Equipment available to spot spills more quickly would have cut 75 percent off the estimated $1.7 billion toll in property damage caused by major incidents on oil lines from 2001 to 2011, consultants said in a December report prepared for the department...

Full article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-17/keystone-xl-pipeline-shuns-high-tech-oil-spill-detectors.html

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Cue the outrage! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #1
Boink! riqster Jul 2013 #32
... Scurrilous Jul 2013 #58
Isn't it amazing that the positive news stories about this administration woo me with science Jul 2013 #60
Hope JVS Aug 2013 #66
Still waiting for the other shoe to drop... chervilant Aug 2013 #67
Given the fact that the Dept of Interior doesn't even know Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #2
Because that's what Presidents do n/t. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #35
Obama let it slip to reporters at truedelphi Jul 2013 #41
I tried google to find any reference to sheshe2 Jul 2013 #52
The pertinent comments were back on page fifteen or sixteen, truedelphi Jul 2013 #53
Sorry that doesn't work for me. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #56
I can't help it - I read it and what interested me was thaqt truedelphi Jul 2013 #62
Interior has nothing to do with the pipeline; international pipelines belong to State (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #55
I should have written EPA, not DOI. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #57
"2,000 jobs were “a blip relative to the need.” think Jul 2013 #3
According to Canadian networks, Obama's tough talk is just a political posturing NoOneMan Jul 2013 #4
Canadian networks don't get to decide, and the State Department hasn't issued a final assessment. ProSense Jul 2013 #6
No, but they get to evaluate world events without US partisan perceptions NoOneMan Jul 2013 #7
"Without US partisan perceptions"? ProSense Jul 2013 #9
Its a good thing that the NSA can run a flash poll now to find out how everyone feels about it NoOneMan Jul 2013 #14
About ProSense Jul 2013 #17
whether the pipeline is built or not, the tar sands oil will be extracted cali Jul 2013 #5
But if the pipeline is built it will cross the Ogallala Aquifer think Jul 2013 #13
of course. I'm just pointing out the obvious flaw in the President's reasoning cali Jul 2013 #36
I missed the relationship between your statement & Obama's think Jul 2013 #38
I find it reassuring that he has discredited the talking points. LiberalAndProud Jul 2013 #8
I hope that was sarcasm....yes, it is, among other things. PDJane Jul 2013 #10
The EPA ProSense Jul 2013 #11
Bookmarking here. freshwest Jul 2013 #59
He's going to approve it XemaSab Jul 2013 #12
And the moment he does, the same NSA-loving Democrats will be all over it NoOneMan Jul 2013 #15
Yup XemaSab Jul 2013 #16
You calling people "NSA-loving Democrats" while supporting the fucking Keystone pipeline is ProSense Jul 2013 #20
I don't support the pipeline, or the Tar Sand project at all NoOneMan Jul 2013 #21
So you're just here pushing the Canadian networks' opinion over "US partisan perceptions" ProSense Jul 2013 #22
Im telling you what people up north see from this speech: certainty in the pipeline and expansion NoOneMan Jul 2013 #24
So what? You're pushing this opinion like it's relevant to the decision. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #26
Pushing? I am informing you what others around the world see in this speech NoOneMan Jul 2013 #37
Wait, ProSense Jul 2013 #39
Its always important to understand how others perceive reality, especially if you have bias NoOneMan Jul 2013 #40
None of ProSense Jul 2013 #42
Haha, sure NoOneMan Jul 2013 #43
OK, ProSense Jul 2013 #44
Hiding behind blue links is a bad thing now? NoOneMan Jul 2013 #45
Seems like you're dealing with some issues. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #47
Your opinion is not relevant NoOneMan Jul 2013 #48
You're right, my last comment isn't relevant to the Keystone decision ProSense Jul 2013 #49
I am rubber and you're in the wrong sandbox NoOneMan Jul 2013 #50
Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #51
Not a chance. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #25
thank dog Kerry's in charge at State now AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #28
I doubt they'll redo the EIS entirely XemaSab Jul 2013 #29
Opinions evolve NoOneMan Jul 2013 #46
What is he waiting for? Agony Jul 2013 #18
Can we just get away from oil? Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #19
But we haven't even got to 550 ppm yet! NoOneMan Jul 2013 #23
Are you opposed to getting away from oil? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #27
Not a bit NoOneMan Jul 2013 #31
all the oil will go to China anyway putitinD Jul 2013 #33
Here's hoping he sticks to it. riqster Jul 2013 #30
Kick! BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #34
fine, as long as he doesn't start talking about trade-offs to reach his carbon goal bigtree Jul 2013 #54
Farcical. It's a done deal. It's going to happen. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #61
We'll see. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #64
My crystal ball says he kills the KXL. grntuscarora Jul 2013 #63
I want him to say No just to piss off the Clintons. Whisp Jul 2013 #65
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